Posts by Yadirf

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

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the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Crownboy,

Putting LORD in place of the tetragramatton does not change the meaning of the text.

That statement of yours has got to take 1st place in a contest of stupidest things said. "LORD" is a title for God, not his name. "LORD" speaks of what he is, not who he is.

We all know which deity the bible is referring to when it uses the term [LORD].

See above.

And to top it off, in every bible translation I have read, the translators always make it clear that the term LORD is a substitute for the Tetragramatton, which could be pronounced as Yahweh or Jehovah, but which pronounciation is not truly known (hence the reason for the term LORD).

Don't you think that they could just as easily have left the Tetragrammaton in (just leaving it untranslated) instead of mistranslating it as "LORD", thereby making it clear to the reader that the 4 untranslated letters represent God's name in Hebrew? Instead you give them a pat on the back for going at it in an illogical way.

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Edited by - Yadirf on 15 August 2002 16:19:2

Edited by - Yadirf on 15 August 2002 16:20:42

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

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friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Simwitness,

You're what is called "a hopeless case".

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Edited by - Yadirf on 15 August 2002 15:52:12

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

jw
friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Simwitness,

Translators are irresponsible when they replace the Tetragrammaton with another word ("LORD") that veils the fact that God has a personal name.
So is it also true that translators are just as irresponsible when they replace the Tetragrammaton with any name that may/may not be God's personal name?

I touched on this a little earlier, when I referred to You Know's post which provided good reason to be content that the name "Jehovah" contains the correct vowels.

Is it just as irresponsible when the translators insert bracketed words "[other]" that do not appear in the original text, and only serve to change the original intended meaning of a passage?

You do understand, do you not, that the use of brackets themselves are an admission that the word enclosed has been added to complete the sense of a passage, as the translator understands the passage? Where is the dishonesty in that?

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73

A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

jw
friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Derek,

No form of the divine name appears in the New Testament in the original Greek. In the NWT it's there several hundred times where the original text had Kyrios (properly translated lord). What gives the translators of the NWT the right to make those changes?

*REASON* itself gives them the right! Being that it's an indisputable fact that God does have a personal name (made so very prominent in the Hebrew Scriptures), and for that name then to be conspicuously absent from the Greek Scriptures gives "reason" to know that the Greek Text needs reworking, particularly in those cases where there is a direct quotation from the Hebrew in which the Tetragrammaton appears. This is what the NWT committee faithfully did, with my appreciation. We should expect no less out of ANY translator, wouldn't you say?

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

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friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Funkyderek,

To substitute a title (LORD) in place of a name (JHVH) that they don't feel sure about the translation has the effect of changing the word of God. There is ample reason given in the Scriptures for not doing such a thing.
And vice versa, surely? Why is it OK for the translators of the NWT to do it, and not anybody else?

The translators of the NWT didn't substitute the title "LORD" in place of the Tetragrammaton, Derek. Seriously though I know what you are getting at -- the fact that they added vowels to the 4 Hebrew consonants. Well, I would say that's at least an improvement over substituting a word, such as "LORD", in place of the name. Why? Because the 4 consonants, which represent that name in the Hebrew text, is preserved in the name JeHoVaH. Besides, as once explained by You Know (an outright scholar BTW), there is good reason to be content with those being the right vowels.

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

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friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Farkel, my all-time favorite apostate:

Just think, Farkel, if God hadn't given himself a name he would forever be the ONLY soul in the Universe that was nameless. It would be like me always responding to you with "Hey man!" ... because you would have no name. So it seems fitting to me that God would also have a personal name, even as every angel, man, and pet animal is given a name.

Did God give himself a name when there was nobody around but him?

No.

If no, then when did he name himself?

I would speculate that he did so right after he created his first son, whom he named Michael.

If he named himself after the Creation of others, was he already afraid that he had to distinguish himself because other so-called "gods" might pop up?
If no, then why did he have to name himself?

I think that me quoting my opening words should answer this. I said:

Just think, Farkel, if God hadn't given himself a name he would forever be the ONLY soul in the Universe that was nameless. It would be like me always responding to you with "Hey man!" ... because you would have no name. So it seems fitting to me that God would also have a personal name, even as every angel, man, and pet animal is given a name . -- Friday.

Why didn't he toss us a few of the correct vowels so we could get his name right if it was so darned important? -- Farkel.

He doesn't need us, we need Him. Personally, I'm thankful for the Bible the way it is.

Did he even toss us the right consonants? If yes, where's the proof?

That's the same as asking, "Where is the proof that the Bible is the Word of God?"

Isn't the jealous protection of one's own name [God's name, that is] the ultimate display of vanity?

Not when the eternal peace and security of the entire Universe rests upon the reputation of THAT name.

Why is that God so stupid, anyway?

All life issued from "that God". Is he "stupid" for that too?

My puppy is here at my chairside pawing at the arm of the chair wanting attention.

Good messing with you, Farkel.

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christmas

by Incense_and_Peppermints in

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i wonder what lurkers would think if our profiles all said we lived in christmas island .

anyway, soon some of you newly liberated ones can celebrate your first christmas... hooray!

here's some christmas stuf to get you in the mood.... (a christmas countdown: http://www.christmas.com/pe/56.

Yadirf

Ecclesiastes 7:4

"The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure."

Edited by - Yadirf on 15 August 2002 13:35:13

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A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

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friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Gozz,

***He LEAST? You meant the MOST, right? Watchtower is guilty of the same.

No, I meant exactly what I said. I did not err. Translators are irresponsible when they replace the Tetragrammaton with another word ("LORD") that veils the fact that God has a personal name. In this case translators would be more true to their responsibility if they were to at least leave the 4 Hebrew consonants in tact, untranslated. To substitute a title (LORD) in place of a name (JHVH) that they don't feel sure about the translation has the effect of changing the word of God. There is ample reason given in the Scriptures for not doing such a thing.

The TRUTH TM is that the WTS claims to know the name of God.

You're full of the same stuff that Lisa is!

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73

A classic case of WT dishonesty.

by caspian in

jw
friends

the following piece of misleading wt thinking was emailed to me recently by a close friend see what you think.

the following words are plaguerised from another person, but i did feel they should be posted.

""under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

Yadirf

Pom,

[Jehovah] was never God's "name."

You don't know that for sure! Tell us what his real name is for sure, if you think you can.

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Jehovah's Undeserved Kindness

by Amazing in

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the watchtower society, in its prime teaching publication the watchtower magazine, loves to discuss jehovah's "undeserved kindness.

" comparing their bible, the new world translation , with the king james version, we see an interesting difference at romans 11:6:

nwt: "now if it is by undeserved kindness, it is no longer due to works; otherwise, the undeserved kindness no longer proves to be undeserved kindness.

Yadirf

TR,

Yadirf the hypocrite, once again praises the virtues of a religion he isn't even involved with.

If you truly understood Daniel 11:35 you wouldn't be calling me a hypocrite. But how could you be expected to understand that text when you don't accept the Bible anyway? You poor lost soul. You've lost your way and don't even realize it.

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