Posts by Xander

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A sickening example of religious vampirism

by expatbrit in

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the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

Xander

Note that this discussion could be continued in another thread if that seems more appropriate to do so and if someone wants to get it rolling.

Well, your answer is a little more far-reaching that I was looking for. I asked a specific question because I'm only interested in your answer to that question.

I was raised fundamentalist Christian, and have since done enough research to realize the bible is not the 'inspired word of god' it is heralded as.

I was simply questioning your statement:

But all murders are the result of rejecting God as well as God's will for our lives.

Which does not agree with the above scriptures I cited. Within them are a number of god-ordered murders (as in the murderer was not only NOT rejecting god, but acting under his direct orders).

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Haiku

by ghenrymt in

quiet, dark midnight.

stars shine clearly and brightly.

aurora dances.

Xander

Hidden org news on
jehovahs-witnesses board
Should I stay away?

Uh oh, a J.C.!
They want to D.F. me now
Beware Internet!

I just watched 'Matrix'
But since I'm an elder's son
I get no reproof!

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Our Sins

by radar in

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friends

why the ransom?.

when you think of all those suffering today and throughout the generations, and all this happened just because two inexperienced people went up against a powerful spirit creature and lost.!.

now, if someone is in jail, lets say for something like stealing, someone can perhaps pay for their release on bail.

Xander

Your comparing Adams ability and comprehension with that of a 3 year old.

Yes - the bible does not say he had the ability to reason until AFTER he hate from the tree.

A little 3 year old, has not learned experiences with consequences of doing Good or Bad.

That's true. Neither did Adam (UNTIL he ate from the tree)

Was Adam created with the comprehension of Bad and Good? Much better than a 3 year old?

No. As I've mentioned, reading the scriptures in question literally, you come to the conclusion Adam DID NOT have reasoning abilities beyond a three-year old. Hell, 'god' might have CREATED Adam as a 3 year old. The bible doesn't say. Alls it says is 'god created Adam', 'god created Eve', 'Eve had no problems talking with a snake' (c'mon, how many adults talk to animals?), 'Adam and Eve did not realize they were naked' (again, compare adult knowledge of clothing to 3 year olds), UNTIL THEY ATE FROM THE TREE.

To "know" something, in the biblical sense

It does not always mean this. You are making an assumtion, on which your whole argument rests.

You know, this thread is just not going anywhere. We really should drop it.

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Old School Candy!!!

by Mister Biggs in

inspired by closer2fine's 70's/80's thread.. .

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Xander

You guys haven't been to a confectionary shop, have you?

An *enormous* amount of those old candies are still about. Labelling has changed on a lot of them, but I recognize the names.

tihs thred = tehy funnAy

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Our Sins

by radar in

jw
friends

why the ransom?.

when you think of all those suffering today and throughout the generations, and all this happened just because two inexperienced people went up against a powerful spirit creature and lost.!.

now, if someone is in jail, lets say for something like stealing, someone can perhaps pay for their release on bail.

Xander

. I said they already knew good. For they already knew God, and "God is good."

Knowing of the existence of someone does not give you the ability to 'know' their attributes. Walking alongside someone in a park does not let you know anything about them. Even talking with them reveals little.

If you had no knowledge of Good or Evil, certainly, just talking with someone would not give you knowledge of such things.

I maintain it can't be proved they DID know 'good'.

Although I have not mentioned it before, it seems relevant here, I further maintain that 'good' and 'evil' are abstract values and neither can exist without the other. IE., how can you define 'good' without having 'evil' to compare it against?

I am willing to discuss this subject matter further with you if you are really trying to understand the scriptures.

I'm sure we could debate this to some length.

I don't, however, suspect that this will be an efficient use of either of our time. I get the feeling your are as firm in your position as I am in mine.

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Haiku

by ghenrymt in

quiet, dark midnight.

stars shine clearly and brightly.

aurora dances.

Xander

No one likes Haikus?
Why Not - they can be funny.
Would you rather flame?

New light is coming.
But, I'm dying - damn...I'm dead.
Oops, blood okay now.

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Our Sins

by radar in

jw
friends

why the ransom?.

when you think of all those suffering today and throughout the generations, and all this happened just because two inexperienced people went up against a powerful spirit creature and lost.!.

now, if someone is in jail, lets say for something like stealing, someone can perhaps pay for their release on bail.

Xander

If your dad tells you not to do something and you do it....is it fair if you get in trouble?

Say you have a 3 year old. Old enough to understand English, can even communicate a little, but knowledge of right vs wrong is completely out of their grasp. You tell them not to pick up a gun and shoot people because it's wrong. You then leave the gun, loaded, in the middle of the room on the floor so it's good and easy to get at.

They then use it anyway. Kills a neighbor kid.

Now, do you execute them on the spot for disobeying you? Or, at least, lock them away in prison for the rest of their lives? HELL NO!! What they did was wrong, yes, but they don't have a concept of right vs. wrong yet. You told them not to, fine, but you can't judge them based on that.

In fact, in any modern court of law, YOU'D be charged with a crime here.

Adam and Eve already had a knowledge of good.

How do you know that?

For Adam had not only talked with God himself, but he and his wife had both walked with God in the Garden of Eden.

Proves nothing. I talk w/ my niece all the time. The wife and I take her to parks frequently. Does she know good vs. Evil? No!

Since you start with the assumption that 'God is good' you must assume (key here, you are making assumptions already) that he wouldn't devise a test that was impossible to pass.

If you only take what is written at face value, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good OR evil until they are from the tree. As Genesis 3:9 stated after eating the fruit: "Then the eyes of both of them opened..."

God creates us as free people, allowing us to do both right and wrong

But, he didn't create Adam and Eve as 'free people'. Read the Genesis account critically...

1) Adam and Eve were naked and didn't realize it
2) Eve thought nothing about talking animals
3) Adam seemed to really think god made Eve from his rib (IE., believed whatever he was told? naive?)

Does that sound like an adult to you? Or, more like a three year old child?

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Can marriage survive infidelity??

by butalbee in

my best friend, jamilynne, comes over this morning for coffee.

i haven't seen her in awhile, guess she had been busy........she's been really busy, i find out today!.

she tells me that she cheated on her husband, with a man she works with.

Xander

Totally OT - wow, nice .sig mango, did you do that?

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DUMB-ASS JW QUOTE OF THE DAY

by TR in

from "just jws" site http://communities.msn.co.uk/justjws/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&id_message=476&lastmodified=4675361990416533398.

firstly may i state i have not visited or am aware of the site you visited, but if i may offer a reply.

we have ones who were former child abusers as we have ones who were former murderers etc etc, we do monitor these ones for the safety of our congregations and to uphold jehovah's clean standards.

Xander

I'm very liberal, but found this hilarious!

Don't misunderstand me - I am too. I'm generally against it, but...dunno...

It's not like I *have* kids. Or was molested as a kid or something. But, I just don't have *ANY* tolerance for crimes against children. Don't know why my feelings on this are so much stronger than, say, murder or something. Must be that ingrained evolutionary 'CHILDREN=PROTECT' thing going on in my head.

That part of me that REALLY, REALLY thinks mandatory sterilization is a good idea and people should need tests to become parents. (Like, say, sterilize them right before puberty and don't undo the surgery until they pass a test. And make it one they have to keep taking each year)

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Can marriage survive infidelity??

by butalbee in

my best friend, jamilynne, comes over this morning for coffee.

i haven't seen her in awhile, guess she had been busy........she's been really busy, i find out today!.

she tells me that she cheated on her husband, with a man she works with.

Xander

didn't have an open marriage. He cheated, she found out
Right...got that...that's why I said it 'reminded me of' not 'hey, here's an example of'

Sex in a marriage is an expression of love. If I wanted to have sex with other men, I would not get married.

*shrug* Okay, that's fair. Like I said, ground rules have to be laid out ahead of time. If that is how both parties claim to feel beforehand, and one then has sex outside the marriage, trust is broken.