Posts by undercover

i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

this is huge.

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Don't sign it. Don't carry it. Don't let JW family make health decisions for you. Lie, deceive, do what ya gotta, but just don't let this card/form in your life.

When I explained my situation to my doctor (family still in, me out) - that I would be pressured to refuse blood by my JW wife, he said, 'if your wife won't support you in a life saving procedure, maybe you need a new wife'. Not a great bedside manner, but it demonstrated just how insane this doctrine really is.

Another occasion during an emergency, the ER staff was prepping me for a possible blood transfusion, if things took a turn for the worse. A JW family member tried to intervene and play the blood ban card (not the literal card, just a metaphor). They were removed from the room, the ER head nurse said to me, 'you are the patient. You are of sound mind. Do you wish us to use every means at our disposal to help you? We will abide by your decision and will ignore any further input from family. Please decide now.'

I think most medical staffs are onto the WTS' tricks, and realize that most JWs are being coerced, either directly thru the HLC or JW family, and are finding ways to let the patient, when possible, make decisions on their own. Of course, this doesn't help children, or people unconscious (or people who signed a card when they shouldn't have), and will remain a life threatening issue with this religion as long as they hold to this murderous policy.

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JW Chef Refuses to Cook Black Pudding

by cofty in

sainsbury's has been forced to apologise after its jehovah's witness chef refused to serve a customer black pudding with his full english breakfast.alan mackay was stunned when he was told he could not enjoy the staple, made up of animal fat, blood and oatmeal, with his meal at the branch in arnold, nottingham.after receiving his incomplete dish the former police officer was told the black pudding would not be served because it was against the religious beliefs of the chef to do so....

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It's like the ole cigarette deal here in Southern US. You couldn't work for RJ Reynolds or Lorillard or Phillip Morris, MAKING cigarettes. But you could work for the 7-11 C-store selling them.

So, if all this 'chef' had to do was add the black pudding to the rest of the order, it's not against his religion. If, however, he was actually preparing the stuff (and I have no idea if it's made to order, or pre-made, and held till requested), then it might fall under the restrictions, as far as JW dogma goes anyway.

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I would rather be in the JW cult than the ex-jw cult

by questioningmyfaith in

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i have posted one other time on this website.

just for the mere fact that i wasn't anger and bitter and ready to declare the gb the sociopathic criminals that so many here ascribe to, my initial question digressed to bickering over ad hominem attacks against the gb and not my beliefs that i'm questioning.

some did give me some help on my questions.

undercover

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"M" is for "Memorial"

by OnTheWayOut in

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many weeks ago, i apparently put "m" on today's date- wednesday, march 23rd, in my google calendar.

it was supposed to remind me that the memorial that jehovah's witnesses observe would be held today.

i was flipping through my calendar this past weekend and asked my wife "what in the world is 'm' for (that day)?

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I didn't have a clue when the M was until the other day when someone at work that had a Friday deadline said the company was closed that day. I asked why we would be closed and they said, 'well duh! Easter weekend. It's Good Friday'. That's when I realized it must also be M week, and went back and looked at the invite that a family member left at the house.

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The Kindness of an Atheist

by undercover in

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a song lyric i heard the other day, paraphrased:.

nothing is as good as the kindness from an atheistan act of selflessness that never has to be repaid.

interesting thought.

undercover

A song lyric I heard the other day, paraphrased:

Nothing is as good as the kindness from an atheist
An act of selflessness that never has to be repaid

Interesting thought. The kindness of an atheist could be construed as superior to the kindness of so-called Christians. Think about it, Christians in general talk about being kind and loving their neighbor because this is godly or Jesus said to, etc. But for a non-believer, one who is not influenced to do good for God's sake, their kindness truly comes from them. No repercussions for not being kind, but no promised reward either.

I'm sure there are exceptions in specific instances, but it makes one ponder, does it not?

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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

by thedepressedsoul in

wow this is interesting!

i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

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Loyally Uphold Jehovah's Judgements – Shun Unreptentant Wrongdoers
Loyally Uphold Jehovah's Judgements – Be Forgiving

The irony is strong with these ones.

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Advice help

by Undercoverbrother in

but i have been undercover for about 3 years.

recently i stopped going and faded(close to a year without stepping into the hall) .

an old flame of mine (who is active witness) came back into the picture.

undercover

welcome fellow undercover guy. I too was 'undercover' as I faded, but over time as I realized that the WTS had no real power over me, I quit fearing what elders, or even the odd JW said or did. The only authority they have is what you allow them to have.

You indicated that you're out, not attending meetings, etc, yet you're worried about elders coming a-knocking. Are you worried about your friends KH reputation should she be found out, or more worried about your getting found out?

Like everyone's already said, no two witnesses, no confession, nothing they can do. Deny deny deny. Or better yet, tell them to mind their own business, should they ask you questions. You're out, you owe them nothing.

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Interesting article about the evidence of the Jewish Exodus

by cappytan in

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the reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt.

yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source.

i'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources.

undercover

There is evidence of Jericho falling as well as surrounding cities however hundreds of years earlier than the supposed time of the Exodus.

An interesting tidbit about Jericho I learned just recently...

It predates the date of Noah's flood, and - the date of Adam's creation.

Amazing how a city existed before mankind existed {insert rolleyes emoticon here}