Do we have CONCRETE evidence of how the pyramids at Giza were built?
or is this still an unexplained 'mystery'?
I've read that the stones used to build these things are monolithic?
(on a side note, what about stonehenge?)
Monsieur
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Question for people more intelligent than me
by Monsieur indo we have concrete evidence of how the pyramids at giza were built?.
or is this still an unexplained 'mystery'?.
i've read that the stones used to build these things are monolithic?.
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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The question posed by the creator of this thread is childishly provocative and contemptously obscene. It's like asking what is the meaning of slowly torturing a child to death? Pay no heed to it.
yada, to your comment i will say while 'evilishly' pointing your rat's bazooka on you, (lol) go to 'hell'...
on to a more intelligent and constructive response...
Bad simply put is the combination of two things. One is the processes of nature that deconstruct like decay and the other is tied to sentience and consciousness that can experience such things. Evil on the other hand is tied to motive when related to the context of law and social cooperation and comes from sentience and consciousness. It’s what happens when the physical clashes with that which is not physical. The same is true for good and one step above good which English doesn’t really have a word for that I can think of.
Bad is what can happen to a sentient consciousness and evil can come from a sentient consciousness. So the meaning and purpose of evil is itself, or rather his or herself. Purpose and meaning can only become real where people exist, particularly in the context of evil.
seraphim,
yes, i agree very much with you here. it is a very good and logical explanation for the definition of 'evil'. If evil is ultimately 'his' or 'herself', is there a possibility then that it can be done away with? are we not the masters of our own thoughts and conscioussness?
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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Monsieur
in the grand scheme of things, that's certainly the case. which doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue and enjoy the good things in life.
jhofer,
a concept i fully understand. however, there seems to be a disconnect between my pursuit of such good things and the knowledge that others suffer pain, fear and evil.
there has to be an explanation to this disconnect. to simply ignore the 'evil' experienced by others seems...idk...
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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braincleaned,
your ammended comment is a little confusing. are you saying that the motives for evil HAVE to be bad? however, evil itself is not bad?
in terms of physics,
is evil simply the effect of entropy?
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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Monsieur
Based on the answers posted,
'Evil' then is something that just IS, not something necessarily bad.
However, the minds of the those that were massacred, in Mexico for example, will not get a chance to comprehend and meditate/study/research the wonders of the real world (free of opressive or non opressive religion in other words).
If the event was random and pointless, then the human mind is reduced to no greater value or worth than mowed grass.
except mowed grass isn't concscious of this, is it?
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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Cofty,
Evil...
...something (i'm thinking aloud here) that causes pain and hurt, fear. Like the massacre I aluded to for example. The senseless kiling of another human being by the hands of another cognizant human being. oxymoron maybe?
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What IS the meaning and purpose of EVIL?
by Monsieur inreading about the massacre of the jw family in mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.. from the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'god' or a 'conventional' god,.
what is the meaning and purpose of evil?.
how does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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Monsieur
Reading about the massacre of the JW family in Mexico brought up all kinds of questions again.
From the standpoint of someone who doesn't in believe in 'God' or a 'conventional' God,
what IS the meaning and purpose of evil?
How does it relate to the overall universe and its balance?
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How to accept the actions of the Old Testament God
by confusedandalone inhow are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.
when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.
when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.
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Monsieur
it's not word games adam, it's reality.
what's the point in discussing the subject if we are not going to base our perspectives on reality?
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How to accept the actions of the Old Testament God
by confusedandalone inhow are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.
when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.
when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.
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holy frijole adam!
here is Confused's opening to the OP -
How are we able to do this.
This is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but I was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the Old Testament god did to people.
Confused must assume that the God of the OT as HE understands him to exist was real. EXCEPT HE ISN'T!!! LOL!
CAA asked- Anyway is there truly a valid reason to believe that the actions of the Old Testament God are in some way valid?
no! there isn't ANY VALID reason to abuse another human. Except, God of OT (as Confused understands him to be) didn't abuse anyone EITHER!! Becase...HE DOESN'T EXIST!!
It's like asking, "Is Santa Claus really acting fair when not delivering gifts via chimeny to naughty kids???"
lol, adam
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How to accept the actions of the Old Testament God
by confusedandalone inhow are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.
when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.
when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.
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adam!
So, 'MAN' gave other men permission to buy and sell humans. The 'MAN' in your metaphorical reading were immoral then, since modern men have long-ago abolished institutionalized slavery, recognizing that owning humans robs them and the owners of dignity, since people are not possessions.
yes, yes, and ...yes!!
lol, why are you arguing me then? we both agree that man throughout history has been dissapointing in treating his fellow man. this is FACTUAL. It HAPPENED, and continues to happen even today despite all the progress.
...are you arguing that 'God' (the ancient bearded man in heaven) does this? that is what Confused is asking.
Why DOES man commit atrocities against man? the reasons are many though not justified...
Your argument in defense of the Bible's "God" is vapid, since you seemingly refuse to acknowledge that the question is NOT about the name given to the individual who set up the practice, but the ACTION itself: the violation of human rights (eg slavery) is not swept away or dismissed, simply by playing such labelling games and claiming mistaken identity.
where did you get the idea that i'm defending the actions of 'God'?? If i say that 'God' in this sense is man, that is NOT defending such actions.