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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  Here is a better example of my point and of what I am questioning. Why are the following 3 names (Jehoshaphat, Jotham, Isaiah) that contain the יהוה (YHVH) in them, why do they get written out using the vowels E, O, A, so that they can be read and pronounced, but when the יהוה (YHVH) appears in regards to God’s name, instead of inserting the vowels E, O, A, in the same manner as done for those names, instead ‘LORD’ is inserted. Why not either write out the יהוה (YHVH) as Yehoah//Jehoah or write out those names as:

  LORDshaphat

  YHVshaphat

  LORDtham

  YVtham

  IsaLORD

  IsaYH

  The following shows what letters from God's name make up those names and what vowels are used:

  YHVH יהוה

  Yehoshaphat YHV יהו

  Yotham YV יוֹ

  Yshayah YH יה

  Yehoah YHVH יהוה
  

  Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

  https://biblehub.com/joel/3-2.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3092.htm

  Joel 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

  https://biblehub.com/joel/3-11.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

  Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

  https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-1.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3147.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3470.htm

  Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

  https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-11.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

  
  

  
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  quote - It has already been discussed on this forum that copies of the Septuagint...the fact that a Greek version of the name - end quote

  This is not a reply in regards to your post, but what I quoted you saying stood out in my mind to check the following.

  This Greek word translates to Jesus in English:

  Ιησοῦς

  That Greek word translates to this Hebrew word:

  ישו

  That Hebrew word translates to Jesus in English.

  I got that Greek word from the Septuagint where it has the name Joshua. Joshua is the shorten form of Jehoshua.

  JEsus

  JOshua

  JEhOshua
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  I know when I go back and read my post that I don't find that I explain clearly what I am trying to say, but I will try again.

  I am saying that Hebrew names that contain the SAME letters as the 4 for God's name use E O and A and spell out Jeho/Yeho and Jah/Yah/IAH which are said to be part of God's name. Then along with the additional letters they are compound with other words with meanings such as:

  [friend, shall live, will prepare, knew, contributed, judged, bestowed, high]

  Example, look at the following link and you can read through them all but first scroll almost to bottom to Joram (Jehoram/Yehoram) and read what's there and then look two above that at Jonathan and notice the clear break down of (יהו, Yeho) and (נתן, natan)

  http://hebrewname.org/alphabetical/J

  That break down of Yeho is showing the first 3 of the 4 letters that represent God's name, the YHV and it is spelled to read YEHO. I don't see it showing (יהו, Yahw) as in YAHWEH, nor does it show (יהו, LORD) or (יהו, GOD)

  It shows that יהו is YEHO and with the second ה (H - 4th letter) added it would be AH as in the names that have the ה at the end and are spelled YAH/IAH

  YEHOah - YehoAH

  It is nonsense to think that the pronunciation for the YHVH of God's name is unknown being that all the Hebrew names that contain those letters are spelled and pronounced. Those names were/are peoples names and regardless of that fact that there became a time when the name of God would not be said aloud or written out with vowel points, the people who had/have those names with the יהוה in them would have kept writing and pronouncing their own name. Likewise, people who knew those with such names would have said them.
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  quote - were also altered by abbreviation or addition of vowel sounds from Elohim or Adonai to prevent the DN from being said aloud. These names therefore have no bearing on the ancient Hebrew pronunciation of YHWH. - end quote

  LOL! So you are saying that the 14 names listed 5 post up are completely inaccurate translations? If what you are saying is true then that would mean that any and all words in the Hebrew language that contain the letters:

  Y י H ה V ו

  are pronounced incorrect because they are forever at a loss as to what vowels to insert for them?

  I will continue on to my point and then ask you a question based on if what you say is the case.

  The letters in question for God's name are these 4: יהוה

  All the names in above post with prefix Jeho/Yeho have the first 3 of those letters (from right to left) and represent the Y H V. In all cases the vowel E is added between the Y and H and in regards to the V the vowel O is used out of the choices of O or U. (As I said the V is said to be a 'placeholder' for an O or U)

  All the names in above post with suffix Yah/Iah have 2 of those letters that represent the Y H. In all cases the vowel A is added between the Y and H.

  Following that same rule when it comes to just the יהוה YHVH, an E would be added (prefix) and V would become an O, and an A would be added to (suffix) the remaining H.

  Y י H ה V ו H ה
  

  YEHOAH
  

  If all those names "have no bearing on the Hebrew pronunciation of YHVH" because of also being "altered by abbreviation or addition of vowel sounds from Elohim or Adonai to prevent the DN from being said aloud", then why do they replace the יהוה with 'LORD' instead of just using Jehovah/Jehoah?

  And why even entertain the notion that the name 'Yahweh' could have been how it was pronounced? When it comes to those SAME Hebrew letters in the others names they use the E in the prefix, replace the V with O and use A in the suffix.
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15785

  If you look at the above link you will find that what is written in Hebrew is translated into English. Looking at verse 1, you will find that in two place where יהוה is written in Hebrew the choice to insert the word 'Lord' was made when written in English. Yet when the Hebrew word יהושע is written, the word Yehoshua is written.

  Note - Joshua is actually written in the verse because they are using the shorten form of the name Jehoshua but my point is that without question when translating the Hebrew word יהושע into English they use Yehoshua/Jehoshua as can be seen above next to Joshua - Chapter 1 and also in the following links you can see that 3091 says Yehoshua and you can also see that where they use 'Lord" it is 3068.

  https://biblehub.com/interlinear/joshua/1-1.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3091.htm

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

  Hold that thought for now! I have to go shopping with the wife and eat but I want to ask you something further and finish my point. :)
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  Not sure what you are trying to point out there or where you are getting your info, but can we put aside any talk about God's personal name and just address if you believe that it is correct to say the name Jehoshaphat in English when referring to the Hebrew name יהושפט

  Likewise with the name Isaiah when referring to the Hebrew name ישעיה
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  YHVH are the consonants that makeup the:

  יהוה

  In the names:

  Jehoshaphat

  Jehoiakim

  Jehoash

  Jehoram

  Jehoshua

  Jehoahaz

  the:

  Y י

  H ה

  V ו

  are used in the prefix.

  The V is said to be a ‘placeholder' for an ‘O' or a ‘U’.

  In the names:

  Isaiah

  Josiah

  Zephaniah

  Obadiah

  Jeremiah

  Nehemiah

  Zechariah

  Jeremiah

  the:

  Y י

  H ה

  are used in the suffix.

  So in those names the YHV is JEHO and the YH is IAH.

  If the current spelling and pronunciation of those names are not questioned then isn’t reasonable to apply the same vowels, spelling, and pronunciation to the יהוה

  Jehoshaphat – יהושפט - JeHO - יהו

  Isaiah - ישעיה – aH – ה

  יהוה - JeHOaH
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  Fink, in regards to your 'vital information', can you tell me if the Jews ever stopped pronouncing the name for 3470:

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3470.htm

  And the name for 3092:

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3092.htm

  Used here:

  https://biblehub.com/interlinear/joel/3-2.htm

  And the name for 3050:

  https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3050.htm

  Used here:

  https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/68-4.htm

  https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/12-2.htm

  
  
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  A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

  i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

  i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

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  johnamos

  I have determined that the name should be spelled Yehoah/Jehoah. (With no V)

  That is based on there being no questioning the accuracy of modern pronunciations of Hebrew bible names such as:

  Yah/Jah

  Yehoshua/Jehoshua

  Yehoshaphat/Jehoshaphat

  Yshayah/Isaiah

  If you read about 'mater lections' you will find that the V in YHVH is not to be written as a V(or W) but is instead a 'placeholder' for 'O'/'U' and in the following Hebrew names they use 'O'.

  Yod י

  He ה

  Vav ו

  He ה

  יה – Yah

  ישעיה - Yshayah (Isaiah)

  Yehoshua

  יהושע

  Yehoshaphat

  יהושפט

  Yeho

  יהו

  With the above not being questioned then it stands to reason the name is:

  Yehoah/Jehoah

  יהוה
  

  
  
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  Whatever is bound on EARTH is already Loosed in Heaven

  by Alex Williams in

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  2. beliefs

  when a person is guilty and worthy of punishment, the judgment ‘will already have been bound in heaven jesus said and if they are loosed or innocent it will already have been “loosed in heaven..in such judicial deliberations, jesus says, “where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.” .

  psalm 127:3.. children are a sacred trust, “an inheritance from jehovah.

  jws abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.its recognized that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes.jws do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities as has been alleged.

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  johnamos

  hey Alex and Mrtheocracy…do you know what the following shows???

  Insight Vol 2 - Because of having been resurrected by his friend Jesus, Lazarus was likely alive Pentecost 33 C.E., when the holy spirit was poured out and the first ones of the heavenly calling (Heb 3:1) were anointed and spirit begotten. (Ac 2:1-4, 33, 38)

  5-1-90 WT p.26 par.9 - Martha knew about that hope from her association with Jesus, for she had previously said to him regarding Lazarus: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:24) She knew that the resurrection would be, not on his (Lazarus’) last day, but in the future, “on the last day”—Judgment Day, when the dead would be raised under God’s Kingdom rule.

  John 6:39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day. (Compare - John 17:12, 18:9)

  7-1-98 WT p.21 par.12 - That “last day” coincides with the Thousand Year Reign of Christ. (Revelation 20:6) Imagine the excitement during that “day” when this grand event begins!

  Revelation 20:6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.

  Insight Vol 1 - PRESENCE -The Greek word from which “presence” is translated is pa·rou·siʹa, formed from pa·raʹ (alongside) and ou·siʹa (being; derived from ei·miʹ, meaning “be”). Hence, pa·rou·siʹa means, literally, “being alongside,” that is, a “presence.”

  2 Thess 2:1 However, brothers, concerning the presence “being alongside” of our Lord Jesus Christ, namely* our being gathered together to him,
  

  * (Greek kai)

  Matthew 24: 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

  1 Corinthians 15:51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, 52 in the twinkling of an eye, 'at' the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

  Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world (Satan’s) has become the kingdom of our Lord (Jehovah) and of his Christ (Jesus)”

  [1-15- 14 WT – IN THE spring of the year 31 on a mountain close to the town of Capernaum, Jesus Christ taught his followers to pray: “Let your Kingdom come.” (Matthew 6:10) Today, many doubt if the Kingdom will ever come. However, we are confident that Jehovah will answer our prayers for his Kingdom to come.]

  [11-15-55 WT -. …Satan’s kingdom ends completely at Armageddon.]

  [9-1-91 WT – Almighty God has set a time limit to Satan’s activity among mankind. When that time limit arrives, destruction will come upon the world lying in Satan’s power.]