Jesus is the priest. Priests offered incense. Prayers are likened to incense offered. Thus Jesus is the priest that offers prayers or mediates prayers for us.
So Seabreeze, rethink your objections. This has nothing to do with the new covenant.
Rattigan350
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Question for JW's: Is Jesus the Mediator of Your Prayers ?
by Sea Breeze inpraying to god “through the son jesus” has nothing to do with christ as mediator.. do jw's even know what a mediator does?.
i am in the insurance restoration construction business and have been in mediation many times when a policy holder sues an insurance company for not paying everything they believe is due them under the terms of their policy for property damage.. i am brought in as a technical expert.. in mediation, the plaintiff (policy holder) and the defendant (insurance company) are placed in separate rooms, they do not talk to each other.
they are separated because the dispute has alienated the one from the other.
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Rattigan350
Since there is no such thing as a Watchtower prediction or promise...
The only problem with the doctrines are in the past, during the Rutherford, Knorr and Franz days, they wanted to be better and more righteous than everyone else. That is why they made no birthdays into a religious issue. That is why they were pharisaical on many issues without any direct Bible prohibitions such as no-blood. They say we go out in the door to door work because that is what Jesus did. Well, Jesus had no other alternative.
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Did the WT Policy on Lying Bother You When You Were a JW?
by Sea Breeze inhere's the wt standard for lying: "while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - insight pp.
244-245. vs. websters dictionary:.
lie, noun.
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Rattigan350
And the problem with this is what?
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Jephthah's Daughter
by cantleave ini have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.
the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.
how could they visit her if she was killed?.
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Rattigan350
Peacefulpete, You took those out of context
"A human sacrifice for good of a community thru appeasement of a god? (John 18:14 "...it would be good if one man died for the people.""
Caiaphas said that as a justification to kill Jesus.
"How about a god sending his people to war where many are killed? (Judges 20)"
Those are not human sacrifices. That is just how war works. The enemy gets killed.
"Are they not human sacrifices to please a god?"
Not by God's people.
"Or the burning alive members of the tribe that behave in unapproved manner?"
Only by dragon riders.
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Jephthah's Daughter
by cantleave ini have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.
the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.
how could they visit her if she was killed?.
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Rattigan350
"Is Jehovah ridiculous for asking Abraham to burn Issac? And is Abraham ridiculous for trying to do it?"
Why would people question Abraham's ATTEMPT at sacrificing Isaac when it was not meant to go through to completion. It was a test of faith.
Gen 22:2 "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and travel to the land of Mo·riʹah and offer him up there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I will designate to you.”"
vs 8 "To this Abraham said: “God himself will provide the sheep for the burnt offering, my son"
vs 10 "Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son."
vs 11 "But Jehovah’s angel called to him from the heavens and said: “Abraham, Abraham!” to which he answered: “Here I am!” Then he said: “Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me"
See. It was a test and Abraham passed it and it was never meant to hurt him.Jephthah was the one that made the vow. He would not kill and burn another human from his household. So Jehovah would not want him to kill and sacrifice another human.
The problem is that people read the words in the Bible, though badly written and reading not from the writer's perspective, in a vacuum and take it without considering other texts.
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JULY 2025 STUDY WT How to Give Advice
by blondie ini scanned this article and i saw a theme throughout it.
when info like this shows up in the study wt, you can be sure the elders are doing it wrong and the wts hits directly on what it is.
older elders do it wrong and train by word and action the newer elders to do it wrong.
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NotFormer, The only law is Gen 9:4 "Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat"
Unfortunately people like to look to Acts 15:20,29 and not realize that the word "abstain" applied to all 4 of the prohibitions. It did not mean that the ban on eating and drinking blood was expanded in scope. The apostles even with the holy spirit, didn't have that authority. Their objective there was not to make new laws and rules. It was to state what the law was. -
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Jephthah's Daughter
by cantleave ini have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.
the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.
how could they visit her if she was killed?.
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Rattigan350
There is no Watchtower Whitewashing.
"The text explicitly says that the vow was to offer her as a burnt offering and that Jephthah carried out his vow."
But it obviously does not mean that he killed her and burned her.
He meant that he would offer her to tabernacle service and that would be as a burnt offering that he would give.
NLT says "I will give to the LORD whatever comes out of my house to meet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”"
As a burnt offering means in place of. How could he give the person to the lord if it was dead?ASV says " it shall be Jehovah’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt-offering." The person becomes Jehovah's and is in place of the burnt offering.
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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025
by raymond frantz inthe following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.
each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.
we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.
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@Seabreeze "You do realize that Watchtower has indoctrinated you don't you? There are lots of dead people are in heaven. I'm going there when I die."
No, the Watchtower has no indoctrinated me. No one had one that to me.I understand how things work.
There are no dead in heaven. There are humans who have died and then were raised as spirit beings who are now alive in heaven serving with Jesus. But you won't be one of them.
What Paul wrote in 2 Cor 5 is not factual. It is just an example of his appeasing his readers with flowery language that made them feel good. Heaven is not home for anyone. It is not home, it is the office. It is where people work, to do a job. While he and his audience of Corinthians will be raised to heaven, you can't assume that you are part of that audience. Remember that Paul didn't know that the number going to heaven would be capped at 144,000.
Also what was said in Rev 6 was in signs and symbols. It's not real.
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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025
by raymond frantz inthe following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.
each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.
we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.
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Rattigan350
Duran asked "So, if you believe the resurrection has already occurred, then does that mean that you believe the 'last day' has come and the 'last trumpet' has blown?"
The first resurrection of the anointed who have died as already occurred.
What Martha mentioned about rising in the last days or actually being raised in the last days, was the resurrection to the earth. Her knowledge and understand was limited and vague, considering that the Sadducees were some of the teachers.
Paul's understanding was also limited because he was piecing things together too.
Stop relying on what people in the Bible said or wrote and understand the mechanics of the process itself.It's simple. When Jesus became king, he resurrected the anointed who are already dead. Then during his time in the kingdom, as the anointed died they were instantly raised to heaven.
Then at the time of Rev 20:13 the resurrection to life on earth will begin and continue over the 1000 years and then what people will do matters. -
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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025
by raymond frantz inthe following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.
each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.
we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.
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Rattigan350
Seabreeze said "The dead in heaven are awaiting a resurrection. 2 Corinthians 5:8, which suggests believers are "away from the body and at home with the Lord"."
There are no dead in heaven. Any in heaven are alive.Here is how it works. Everyone who has died since Abel is in Sheol/hades/hell aka the grave. Since the time of Pentecost, Christians started getting anointed with holy spirit. When they died they were still dead. When Jesus became king, he cleansed the heavens as John 14:2-6 (prepared a place for the apostles) and Rev 12 says casting out Satan from the heavens. Then those dead in Christ were raised to heaven. Then after that time, any anointed left, when they died were instantly raised to heaven.
As for 2 Cor 5. It says "For we know that" Who is that 'we'? Paul and the Corinthians. Not you or anyone in this century.vs 5 "Now the one who prepared us for this very thing is God, who gave us the spirit as a token of what is to come" That token is the holy spirit that they were anointed with. That 'us' is Paul and the Corinthians as they were anointed with the holy spirit.
vs 8 "But we are of good courage and would prefer to be absent from the body and to make our home with the Lord" So it is what they would prefer. That is not us today.