Posts by Rattigan350

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

The problem I see is that these new Governing Body members, Jacob Ruph, is that his name? In the 80s there were Barr, Barry, Booth, Barber, Franz, Jaracz, Klein, Sydlik, Gangas, and a few others. They were in Bethel since the 1920s. 60 years. If anyone was at Bethel for 50 years that would be the 1970s. Where are the old timers?

Now these new guys are at Bethel for a few years and they get appointed.

What happened?

Listening to these new GB members does not inspired awe like listening to Sydlik and Barr and Franz did.

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

"they still didn’t engage with any real criticisms (like the 607 BCE doctrine, the Australian Royal Commission, the UN NGO affiliation, etc.)."

What do you expect them to engage about with those topics? 607 BCE is when the gentile times started even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 587. The ARC is in the past. Bygones.

Same with the UN NGO thing. more bygones. It is not bad to be an NGo of the UN.

"But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”"

But what is the point in bringing those things up? Instead of sending material or links to videos, I say to just live your life like you want to.

"And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy."

What was there to argue about?

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

I had to laugh.

One of the Warwick speakers is named Mike Reno.

I was born to run
I was born to dream
The craziest boy you ever seen
I gotta do it my way
Or no way at all

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

Peaceful Pete: "why would recovering and former JWs want to expose themselves to hours of manipulative propaganda."

Maybe because you are the one that is labeling it manipulative propaganda and not everyone who views it.

Do you think that it is healthy to follow your labels?

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The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

by EisMe in

the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

Rattigan350

"God has promised that David’s throne will be reestablished upon the earth:"

You are wrong here.

The throne is in heaven.

How is it that everyone ignores Heb 12:22 where it says Heavenly Jerusalem??

The government will be in heaven and the people will be on earth.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

But would a person trained as an electrician want to do the wider range of career options that the degree would offer?

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

Rattigan350

Of course Fred Franz was behind the blood ban.

Consider the w64 2/15 p. 127

"Would it be a violation of the Scriptures for a Christian to permit a veterinarian to give blood transfusions to a pet? And what of animal food? May it be used if there is reason to believe there is blood in it? Also, is it permissible to use fertilizer that has blood in it?"

That has Fred Franz written all over it.

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You Could Be Stuck in a University When Your Parent Dies. Convention Day 2 Video

by liam in

the governing body is going all out at this years convention.

they are still discouraging university education.

i guess the end must be real close .

Rattigan350

Why is this even an issue? It's been settled by the world.

This is what AI says on the subject "Trade schools and universities offer different paths to higher education. Trade schools focus on hands-on training for specific trades, while universities provide a broader academic education with opportunities for research and diverse knowledge. Trade schools are typically shorter and more affordable, allowing for quicker entry into the workforce. Universities offer longer programs leading to degrees and a wider range of career options. "

Trades VS College : r/HVAC

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

Rattigan350

"2. Rutherford insisted on the rather forced reading of Romans 13 that the “superior authorities” are not governments but Jesus and Jehovah. That was a pretty incredible claim that Franz had to walk back while maintaining neutrality as a principle that is not dependent on this forced reading of this passage."

I don't agree here. Rutherford read that for the times that he went through. To him at that time, how could the governments be the superior authorities when they were doing evil things to him and the other Bible Students?

Russell was too liberal. Rutherford went the other way and was too conservative. Franz/Knorr put it in balance in the center.

TonusOH said "He didn't clean everything up (such as restoring a lot of holidays and religious observances)"

Why would Franz restore holidays? Franz was a hardliner for obedience too. He was the one responsible for no blood because he thought that obedience was necessary.

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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it

by JohnR1975 in

fruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?

yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.

br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.

Rattigan350

Seabreeze - The Governing body members are not the leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus is the leader. The GB are just overseers of the worldwide congregation.

Why do people focus on these men so much?