2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

liam

The Video on Apostates in the Congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

CommitteeNice4693

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/

So by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

I’ve got a lot of thoughts about it. On a somewhat positive note, it really does seem like the Governing Body has been in panic mode for the last few years—basically since Covid. Between the conventions and JW Broadcasting, there's been an intense focus on the “apostate” narrative. It feels like pure damage control in response to the growing number of people waking up, thanks to the internet and increased exposure to critical information.

The sad and honestly disturbing part is that this video will work on a lot of PIMIs. It’s going to deepen their fear and disgust of anything “outside.” For many of us, the video hits close to home—it’s eerily reminiscent of conversations we've had with friends or family. And if it made us think back to those interactions, you can bet it’ll do the same for the people who were on the other side of those conversations.

One thing I found really interesting: they didn’t actually straw man the "apostate." Now, don’t get me wrong—they still didn’t engage with any real criticisms (like the 607 BCE doctrine, the Australian Royal Commission, the UN NGO affiliation, etc.).

But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”

And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy. That’s the message being drilled in—shut it down, don't think, and definitely don’t listen. They even compared the “apostate” to Satan tempting Jesus in the wilderness. Still the same old fear-based control tactics.

But to end on a more hopeful note: I truly believe this might backfire for some. For anyone with even a flicker of critical thinking or lingering doubts, this kind of thing could touch a nerve. It’s the sort of video that would have made me deeply uncomfortable in the final stretch before I woke up—even if I couldn’t yet verbalize why. Hopefully, someone out there will see it and think, “Hang on… that guy had a point.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS3vr8ImYqc

Beth Sarim

GB.

Sitting there in their ivory towers of course

Beth Sarim

Voila

There they are.

How silly of me. To think the GB would be gone. But to reappear on screen again,,, praising,, glorifying themselves.

Mikejw

But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”

And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy.

I think this will backfire. All parents will be wondering if their children should be thinking about things or just not asking questions?

It’s obvious children should be asking questions. And now parents are told to just shut them down trust the fat old men in upstate NY don’t question them at all.

I thought JWs were all about study and if there is something you don’t understand then study so you do understand it.

but now it seems to be if there is something that you don’t understand say 607 1914 for example don’t whatever you do go and do research don’t Google it do not do research do not study just trust the fat old man in upstate New York whatever you do don’t question 607 and 1914

Gorb

These days children ask questions about why a smalĺ group of white, old Americans are the brothers of Christ. And know everything better then other institutions.

It's a so stupid reality that it could be humor, but it's for jw deadly serious.

Gorby

Ron.W.

Thank god the elders are on hand to answer all these difficult questions for those having sincere doubts about the jw cult!!! 😉😉😉😉

Rattigan350

"they still didn’t engage with any real criticisms (like the 607 BCE doctrine, the Australian Royal Commission, the UN NGO affiliation, etc.)."

What do you expect them to engage about with those topics? 607 BCE is when the gentile times started even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 587. The ARC is in the past. Bygones.

Same with the UN NGO thing. more bygones. It is not bad to be an NGo of the UN.

"But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”"

But what is the point in bringing those things up? Instead of sending material or links to videos, I say to just live your life like you want to.

"And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy."

What was there to argue about?

Rattigan350

The problem I see is that these new Governing Body members, Jacob Ruph, is that his name? In the 80s there were Barr, Barry, Booth, Barber, Franz, Jaracz, Klein, Sydlik, Gangas, and a few others. They were in Bethel since the 1920s. 60 years. If anyone was at Bethel for 50 years that would be the 1970s. Where are the old timers?

Now these new guys are at Bethel for a few years and they get appointed.

What happened?

Listening to these new GB members does not inspired awe like listening to Sydlik and Barr and Franz did.

Beth Sarim

I think these new GBs get appointed is because perhaps they have some business savy skills.

Like real estate or stock market skills.

So they get appointed.

Because they are of more value to the Borg.

More value,,,more recognition. The quicker & more rewards. Free labor.😏

2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

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