Posts by troubled

I read your post, and I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience. I, too, have heard the friends at the Hall talk about how terrible it is that the Catholic Church covers up the activities of pedophiles. And it is always stated so self-assuredly, without any inkling that these things go on in Jehovah's organization too. It's a display of trust and naivety. I hate to admit, I've done (and said) the same things about the Catholic priests myself, in ignorance.

As one who was sexually abused as a child (not by a JW), I am disgusted whenever I read about pedophiles, particularly when they are allowed to repeat their actions or their activities are kept secret. So you can imagine how sick I felt at seeing information indicating that it might be happening in our own congregations! I'm having a hard time believing it. It makes my stomach hurt. But I am researching into it, as I have to know the truth.

I agree with the above suggestion: to tape the upcoming Dateline program when it airs. And encourage your wife to watch it. Or, if you know she will protest to watching it, plan ahead to be home and have the TV on that station when it is going to air. Then say, "Hon, come take a look at this!" That's what I plan to do with my husband.

Even though my hubby is disgruntled himself about things going on in our congregation, he is very against any type of negative-JW info from the outside, Internet info, etc. He considers it all "apostate crap." So I've not shared anything with him yet that I've read/learned about the Society. However, I will ask him to view the Dateline program. He knows I was sexually abused as a child (not by a JW), and how much I've struggled with this. If he sees the Dateline program, he will either be disgusted/shocked to learn it is going on in Jehovah's organization, or he will not believe it and say it is just a bunch of "apostate lies." I'm not sure which. I'll be curious to know how your wife reacts.

I can empathize with your situation with your wife, and empathize with your wife as well. I myself have been very innocent/naive to any wrongdoing in the Hall. And if I ever got that disconcerting feeling, that knot in my stomach, or a doubtful thought, I put it out of my mind immediately, feeling intense guilt and disloyalty to Jehovah and his organization. I remember hearing others make negative statements and thinking "They're just spiritually weak" or "Satan's just trying to discourage them." So I understand where your wife is coming from. At the time, it seemed the RIGHT thing to do to just ignore ANY negative talk, however justified.

Your wife probably feels 100% that by refusing to acknowledge wrongdoing in the organization, she is doing what is "right" and being loyal to Jehovah. Reading over your post, I can't help but think that, unless/until SHE gets to a (mental/spiritual) place where she can open her eyes and see things realistically (both the good and the bad), without feeling guilt or disloyalty, you won't be able to FORCE her into that place. Trying to, before she's ready, might only make it worse for both of you. She will only think you spiritually weak, negative, and misled. Maybe when the Dateline program airs, the time will be right for you to approach her about this matter again.

Maybe when the time is right, you could ask her to consider these questions (some of the things I've been asking myself, as I wrestle with the "loyalty to those taking the lead/loyalty to Jehovah/loyalty to the standard of Truth" battle in my own mind):

The Bible's describes Jehovah as the God of Truth who cannot lie, how he hates deception, etc. Does Jehovah would consider it "loving" to overlook gross wrongdoing in our congregations? Did Jesus do it in the first century? Will Jehovah do it at Armageddon? Do we overlook gross wrongs in other religions? Does Jehovah want us to follow a double standard? If something is true, does turning our back and closing our mind to it make it go away?

Yes, the Bible says to be submissive to those taking the lead. But it also denounces those carrying on a lie or covering over deception. Perhaps we have a moral obligation to expose gross wrongdoing in our ranks when we become aware of it. The Society asks us to report gross wrongdoing in publishers (if they don't confess). Doesn't the same standard apply to all in the congregation, regardless of their position? After all, our loyalty to any man is still relative to our loyalty to God.

Of course, there's the flip-side view: to forgive 77 times, turn the other cheek, don't pick at the straw in your brother's eye when there's a rafter in your own, chalk things up to human imperfection, etc. But somewhere there must be a line between forgiving minor offences and overlooking gross wrongs that destroy people's lives. Personally, I don't know where that line is. Hence, just stuck in the "thinking, weighing, researching" mode. Yet I keep thinking that, as a God of Truth, Jehovah would expect us to hold ourselves up to the same light of scrutiny that we shine on others, the same standard of truth. After all, we call our religion "the TRUTH." And the subject of pedophiles in the congregation seems, to me, to be a "rafter" and not a "straw."

I don't know if any of this will help you or your wife. I'm just thinking out loud and trying to reconcile some of these same issues in my own mind. I've not left Jehovah's organization. I've not make any hard fast judgments. I'm just trying to keep my eyes and mind open, and apply to myself what I ask others to apply to themselves when I go to their door. Maybe in time, your wife will see that is not such a terrible sin after all, but what Jehovah expects us to do.

Perhaps with time, your wife will be in a place where you can talk honestly and openly about the organization, without guilt and fear shutting everything down communication. That's what I'm hoping for your marriage anyway. That's what I'm hoping for mine.

As a still-active JW who WANTS to believe in the goodness and altruism of Jehovah's organization, I can understand where your wife is coming from. Even now, I'm still hoping to find good, solid explanations for the info I'm finding. I want VERY MUCH for the allegations to be wrong. The only difference between me and your wife is that I've gotten past the point where I feel I CANNOT look at the evidence from both sides, without feelihg horribly guilty and disloyal to Jehovah.

As I said, if I can prove the allegations are false, I will be so very happy and relieved. If not, it will be incredibly sad and painful. My whole world would seem to crumble before me. But either way, if I'm basing my life on this, I need to know the truth. And maybe your wife will see it this way too, in time.

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JW pedophile goes to jail

by troubled in

jw
friends

hi all,.

i saw an link at the top of the watchtowernews.org site (posted 7/27/01), but can't open it up.

is it working for you?

troubled

Hi All,

I saw an link at the top of the watchtowernews.org site (posted 7/27/01), but can't open it up. Is it working for you?

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Kingdom of the Cults

by troubled in

jw
friends

i came across the above book while i was browsing in a bookstore.

since i was on my lunch hour, i could not read it fully, but did quickly look over the information.

it spent a great deal of time discussing matters pertaining to russell.

troubled

To Ianao,

Thanks for the apology. It's accepted! (I've been accused of being "too sensitive" in the past, so I may have taken it the wrong way, and you may have worded it the wrong way.) So maybe we both contributed.

In any case, thanks for replying. I feel much better about it now!!!

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Kingdom of the Cults

by troubled in

jw
friends

i came across the above book while i was browsing in a bookstore.

since i was on my lunch hour, i could not read it fully, but did quickly look over the information.

it spent a great deal of time discussing matters pertaining to russell.

troubled

Yes, I've looked at the website some, but haven't read everything yet. There's alot there!

I'm just wondering what printed books/publications are out there? If I want to show someone else, I will need proof. And if I just print off something from the web, people might claim it was fabricated (i.e., typed up to look official, PDF'd, and posted).

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Mi Familia

by lisaBObeesa in

jw
friends

dear friends,.

i have come a long way from when i was 18 years old and fresh out of my parents house and the borg.

i went throught stages...so many stages... of recovery.

troubled

I read your post and really feel for you. The whole disfellowshipping/shunning thing is something I'm looking at myself and questioning. As a 15-year JW, the thing that started me taking a good, hard look at the DFing issue was my talks with my therapist regarding childhood issues. What I mean is, I came to realize how hurt I've been over my parents general disapproval and lack of emotional concern for me (since I was a kid). It has been hard for me! (I guess you always want your parents to love and approve of you, no matter how old you are).

Then it hits me:

If I've felt so incredibly hurt over not being supported by my family (who are not JW and who, though they are disapproving, still visit me, etc.), how must it feel for DF'd JWs whose parents (and others) quit talking to them altogether?

Now that I've been in therapy, I can't help feeling it's psychologically damaging to do that to someone. Even if you don't agree with the choices they are making. So I'm having to study and reevaluate this matter for myself all over again. Wondering, can I continue doing this to DF'd people? And can I teach others to do the same?

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Kingdom of the Cults

by troubled in

jw
friends

i came across the above book while i was browsing in a bookstore.

since i was on my lunch hour, i could not read it fully, but did quickly look over the information.

it spent a great deal of time discussing matters pertaining to russell.

troubled

Can anyone else refer me to some information?
(As a current JW, I'm not very welcome here, am I?)

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Kingdom of the Cults

by troubled in

jw
friends

i came across the above book while i was browsing in a bookstore.

since i was on my lunch hour, i could not read it fully, but did quickly look over the information.

it spent a great deal of time discussing matters pertaining to russell.

troubled

I don't think this is a very nice response. By telling me if I saw the facts, I wouldn't know it, and would just view it as "biased," you are showing a "biased" opinion of me. This was not a helpful response.