my huband posed something to me yesterday that i had never even thought of before.
he said, wouldn't it be possible that if a group <ie.
jehovahs witnesses> fell out of gods favor, what would stop him from choosing another group?
Hey logical,
The WTS has the same problem with copyright infringement. When Kent from WT Observer posted the "elders manual", he was sued. Shan't be posting the "truth", now should we? What a JOKE!
READ ALL ABOUT IT, READ ALL ABOUT IT! JUST IN! TRUTH FOR SALE! TRUTH FOR SALE!
TR
the end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.
"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?
the year 1975.
Sassenach,
On the subject of personal responsibility, I haven't got much tolerence for adults who willingly give their lives away to any organization that has such a poor record of prognostication.
Standing here, face red, hand raised. I was a young, ignorant adult, who bought it lock, stock, and false prophecy.
TR
i've always wondered why it was, that when mankind was supposedly closer to perfection, god kept in direct contact with people either through angels speaking, or prophetic dreams, seas parting, etc.
but the further man got from perfection the less and less contact he gave people.
it seems like the worse off we are, the more help, or direction we would require.
ianao,
TR, OH NO!Not that Sitchen stuff again.
Hey, it beats the hell out of what the WTS teaches! Besides, the Sitchin Historical International Team(S.H.I.T) has opened a new worship center. They've nominated me as a new regional Grand Poobah! I've been searchin' for a new cult to join anyway.
It's a interesting explanation of things. No mysteriously disappearing and reappearing gods, they used space ships just like us! There would have to be advanced technology to get to Earth and start the human race, after all! There is compelling evidence to suggest his theories. If nothing else, it's a fascinating read.(Earth Chronicles)
TR
.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
JAVA,
Ramble on, dude!
Most times I wonder how retarded my posts must come across. Thinking out loud is a good way to put it.
TR
when you were active, or if you still are, did you all maintain non-jw friendships?.
i've always kept some close friends who weren't jws.
but reading a .
I had non JW friends that I'd known from childhood, but the preaching thing kept 'em away.
TR
i've always wondered why it was, that when mankind was supposedly closer to perfection, god kept in direct contact with people either through angels speaking, or prophetic dreams, seas parting, etc.
but the further man got from perfection the less and less contact he gave people.
it seems like the worse off we are, the more help, or direction we would require.
Hey Eyes,
Maybe the gods took off and abandoned Earth. Maybe they were actually flesh and blood beings that got tired of us and blew outta here. A possibility?
TR
i got this info from a friend..thought i'd pass it on...just in case .
---be advised a "new" telephone scam has been taking place.
the way the scam works is outlined below.
Hey NPY,
Looks like I've been found out!
TR
the end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.
"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?
the year 1975.
larc,
The WT intentionaly blurs that history to compound the problem.. I know that when I taught (now retired), that if I gave examples that occured before the time of my 21 year old students, my examples were as ancient as the Civil War to them and my vivid memories were beside the point. To make it worse for new JWs, I think, the older ones have a memory distortion of what happened. I think this occurs for two reasons, the Society encourages it through clever explainations, and the person does it unconsciously, on their own to resolve cognitive dissonance and to ease the mental pain. Thus, everyone stays relatively content.
You hit the nail on the head. These, I believe, are the main reasons that the WTS survives. There is definately a pattern going on here:
1) WTS makes predictions and sets health directives
a)repeatedly drums into JW's heads reliance on FDS
b)FDS sole source of "accurate" info
c)JW's repeatedly reminded of consequences of non-reliance of FDS
d)FDS's predictions and health directives proved false or wrong
e)WTS slowly changes policy with ambiguous articles in literature
f)"The WT intentionaly blurs that history to compound the problem"
g)confused JW's slow to react to or don't notice WTS changes
The above seems to happen in repeated cycles throughout WTS history.
TR
Edited by - TR on 24 January 2001 11:55:39
the end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.
"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?
the year 1975.
It's pretty easy to "monday morning quarterback" what people should have done or not done, thought or not thought after we've been out of the borg a while. All I know is how I felt myself when I was a JW. I just knew 'geddon was coming. I just knew I'd be toast if I didn't try to be a good JW. I was thoroughly convinced that I had the truth. I just didn't understand it when people da'd or got df'd. Why would they purpously leave God? I felt profound guilt because I didn't want to drop all responsibilities and go "serve where the need was greater". That's how I felt until the stresses of being a good JW and having "unbelieving" family took their toll on me.
What I'm saying is this: It's hard to be objective with a religiously detached point of view when you're a JW that has been hoodwinked by the WTS. Yes, it's still my fault, I'm still to blame. After all, It was I that decided to join the WTS without doing the necessary research. Here again is the "comes back to bite me in the ass" consequences. I gave up ten years of my life. That's my punishment for being stupid.
TR
.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
JAVA,
I wasn't agreeing with WTS policy. The intent of my thoughts were to chastise those who create problems with their bad actions. Maybe I should have said, bad actions should come back to bite us. There should be consequences for bad behavior. There often is as a result, but often at the expense of innocent victims. We all know the problems that immoral sexual behavior causes.
The Society certainly has crossed the line in their "sex policing". But cheating on your mate, pediphilia, bestiality, these are practices that deserve punishment by secular law along with some sort of treatment, I believe. I don't believe religions should be allowed to punish people other than maybe bar them from participating in services, shunning only those who pose a threat to peoples safety. However, if you live in a religious state, such as an Islamic country, I guess there isn't much of a choice. But, then again, I'm not religious anymore, although I've adopted some conservative values. If I learned anything from being a JW, it is to research your religion before jumping in. I don't plan on anymore "jumps".
TR
