Posts by TMS

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Jehovah, the God of Justice, Executes the Wicked

by TMS in

the phrases still roll off my tongue, "a god of tender mercies", a god in whom there is no injustice", a god who "protects the little one.".

in spite of those worn out platitides, if i walked in to a court room and saw the name "jehovah god" in metallic letters on the door, i would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused.

i would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by god jehovah.. i cite the case of king david of israel.

TMS

writetoknow,

I would love to respond to any one of your thirteen posts to this topic but your arguments are all over the place, self-contradictory. If English is your second language, I understand. Sometimes its possible to miss the subtleties and implications when you struggle with the language.

With some hesitancy, I will quote one of your posts:

If my understanding is correct the post start with how unjust Jehovah is?

That is not really correct. My original post deals with how the Bible presents Jehovah. If you accept those incidents at FACE VALUE, Jehovah does not look good. If Jehovah authored the 66 books of the old and new testament, he signed off on those descriptions. If humans were simply attributing certain events to a deity they invented, so be it. My original point is very basic: Jehovah, the God of the Bible is unjust, merciless or those writing about him in the Bible are dishonest, liars. Either way, the Bible and the God it presents is not worthy of our life's devotion. tms ps: writetoknow: In your profile you state that you are a former elder, pioneer. . one who served in multiple congregations where "the need was great". You also state that you are a certified graphologist, handwriting expert, "Write To Know" being the name of your handwriting analysis business. A google search did turn up a company "Write to Know" in Portland, OR. The owner of that company is a woman, an elementary school teacher for 33 years, a graphologist since 1978. ??

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

TMS

Obves,

A "defeated enemy for good"? I doubt that I could live up to that title. You say I should be trembling? Actually, you've added nothing of substance to this thread. You've just made threats in the name of your god. You are indeed in His image.

tms

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

TMS

bigboi, low-key.

It's odd how often the Watchtower feels the need to speculate on what really can't be known for certain. There's definitely a certain arrogance there. So many of Rutherford's silly attempts to comment on scientific matters haven't stood the test of time at all. Lol! In the congregations, speculation is frowned upon as "pushing ahead" or going "beyond the things written".

The Watchtower, on the other hand, speculates, backtracks, speculates, clarifies and then chastises the brotherhood for acting on their words.

tms

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

TMS

onacruz,

What a convoluted answer given in the QFR! It almost made me dizzy trying to follow that logic. They even excluded dairy products from the pre-flood diet. That meant that Abel the "herder of sheep" was in it for the wool alone. No meat, no milk, no cheese! Only Jehovah could eat his meat including the "fatty portions". Abel must have had some butchering skills to have even discovered the "fatty portions". Why was he dissecting animals? For biology class or forensics?

tms

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Will Carnivorous Jehovah Establish A Vegetarian New World?

by TMS in

god jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat.

although cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat.

priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for jehovah, the fatty portions.

TMS

God Jehovah has had a preoccupation, if not an obsession with meat. Although Cain worked hard to produce an offering of vegetables, it was rejected because it was not meat. Priests were instructed to save certain cuts of meat for Jehovah, the fatty portions. (Not my personal preference, but then I'm not Jehovah.) At times the Watchtower has tried to explain away certain actions attributed to Jehovah as anthromorphic, that is, human traits attributed to a deity. Jehovah is really not "hurt" by human actions, nor does he really crave meat, they imply.

Jehovah made specific rules about the eating of meat. At first(until the flood) no meat could be eaten. Interesting that righteous Abel offered essentially illegal contraband, meat, even "their fatty pieces" and it was readily accepted by Jehovah. After the flood "every flying creature, every moving animal and fish" became fair game so to speak. With the Mosaic Law Jehovah greatly limited the types of meat that could be eaten. Watchtower publications hint strongly that preventing diseases like trichinosis may played a part in Jehovah's new meat rules. Its a shame that Jehovah wouldn't have moved to protect his "friends" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or ancient greats like Job and Melchizadek from trichinosis. Later on Jehovah used quail meat to punish ungrateful Israelites who tired of manna. He made them eat quail till it came out of their noses. You can get tired of something, if it served too often.

Will new meat rules be part of the "new scrolls" Jehovah will unfurl in the new world? Perhaps. One thing is certain. Animals will lose their carnivoristic predisposition. Isaiah tells us in prophecy: "the lion will eat straw just like the bull." Before this genetic change takes place Jehovah has scheduled one final meat lovers "Evening Meal of God" to consume all the dead carcasses from Armageddon. Presumably birds of prey and other still carnivorous creatures will enjoy Jehovah's Great Meat Dinner. After that, only the carcasses of animals who die a natural death will be consumed. Animals will then immediately revert back to their post-Armageddon vegetarian state of mind.

Although the Watchtower has given us a beautiful picture of paradise, many questions remain unanswered. Will new world fish distinguish between animal, bacterial and plant plankton? Will purple martins still consume 600 mosquitoes an hour? What will ant eaters use their snouts for?

Humans may be able to satisfy their cravings by eating "well-oiled dishes filled with marrow.", not really meat, but close. Housecat Tabby will no longer stalk her prey, but innocently frolic along with a large rat population, her former enemies.

tms

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Jehovah, the God of Justice, Executes the Wicked

by TMS in

the phrases still roll off my tongue, "a god of tender mercies", a god in whom there is no injustice", a god who "protects the little one.".

in spite of those worn out platitides, if i walked in to a court room and saw the name "jehovah god" in metallic letters on the door, i would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused.

i would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by god jehovah.. i cite the case of king david of israel.

TMS

Of course, I'm taking the Bible writer's words at face value that Jehovah was involved in merciless, vengeful and unjust acts. If Jehovah exists but is not as the writers portrayed him, I apologize. He may not be almighty, either, which limits his ability to control how he is portrayed.

tms

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Jehovah, the God of Justice, Executes the Wicked

by TMS in

the phrases still roll off my tongue, "a god of tender mercies", a god in whom there is no injustice", a god who "protects the little one.".

in spite of those worn out platitides, if i walked in to a court room and saw the name "jehovah god" in metallic letters on the door, i would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused.

i would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by god jehovah.. i cite the case of king david of israel.

TMS

writetoknow, You are having some difficulty communicating ideas. The following runon sentence from you is almost impossible to decipher:

So what! If you don't believe in God and everything is made up sounds like man has the problem with cruelty and man needs someone to blame for their actions can't have it both ways hum?

There are four sentences in the above sentence you wrote. I really don't intend to hurt your feelings. You may have good ideas, but they need to be expressed coherently. Are you saying man is to blame for Jehovah's cruelty? Or do you mean that if we blame Jehovah for cruel actions, we should also blame humans who act like Jehovah? Please elaborate. Perhaps, a spouse or close friend can help to edit your comments before you submit them. tms

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Jehovah, the God of Justice, Executes the Wicked

by TMS in

the phrases still roll off my tongue, "a god of tender mercies", a god in whom there is no injustice", a god who "protects the little one.".

in spite of those worn out platitides, if i walked in to a court room and saw the name "jehovah god" in metallic letters on the door, i would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused.

i would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by god jehovah.. i cite the case of king david of israel.

TMS

writetoknow "I think there is 55-million abortion a year who decides if the child should live or die? Who do we hold responable for dropping the bombs on Japan?"

Those are copycat killings. Man is appropriately said to have been created in His image. lol!

tms

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Jehovah, the God of Justice, Executes the Wicked

by TMS in

the phrases still roll off my tongue, "a god of tender mercies", a god in whom there is no injustice", a god who "protects the little one.".

in spite of those worn out platitides, if i walked in to a court room and saw the name "jehovah god" in metallic letters on the door, i would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused.

i would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by god jehovah.. i cite the case of king david of israel.

TMS

The phrases still roll off my tongue, "a God of tender mercies", a God in whom there is no injustice", a God who "protects the little one."

In spite of those worn out platitides, if I walked in to a court room and saw the name "Jehovah God" in metallic letters on the door, I would ask my attorney to make a motion to have the judge recused. I would prefer to take my judicial chances with any ticket-fixing, bribe-taking, alcoholic, mafia-controlled human judge than face the uneven, irrational and obscene judicial decisions made by God Jehovah.

I cite the case of King David of Israel. David admitted to adultery and murder, both capital, death-penalty crimes for the average Joe-Blow Israelite. His mistress, Bath-Sheba, was also guilty of adultery, if the sex was consensual. If the sex was forced, add rape to David's offenses. Because of the nature of David's murder, a modern court would add conspiracy to the list of charges.

How did the God of the Universe rule in this case? Did she-bears rip David to pieces like they did the boys who called a prophet a "baldie"? Or did David receive a stoning at the city gates like the incorrible young men of Israel? Did he get struck down like the irreverant Uzzah who tried to keep the ark of the covenant from tipping over? No. David got a mere wrist slap. He did not even lose his anointed position. His punishment? He would have trouble with one of his boys.

You see Jehovah had identified the real culprit, the wicked being behind all the above-mentioned dastardly deeds. The baby of David and Bath-Sheba. Jehovah killed the baby to fulfill his sense of justice.

How would you like to be judged by a god like that?

tms

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The appeal process is a joke!!!

by jakesnake82 in

it was pretty messed up.

i appealed and two of the three elders on my appeal commity were from our sister congregation.

when i turned in my appeal letter, the elder i turned it in to tried to talk me out of appealing.

TMS

When someone appeals a JC decision they may still believe that a loving, compassionate Jehovah oversees the whole process, will read their hearts and make matters right. The reality is that the whole judicial process is an implementation of man-made rules by company men.

These men have egos. An appeal is an affront to their authority and skill level. An overturned judicial decision is an embarrassment not quickly lived down. Even if an appeal committee sympathizes with the accused, the reality of having to work with their cronies on a variety of levels will far outweigh their collective consciences.

The original committee frequently drags their feet considering reinstatement of someone who has dared to appeal(question) their judgement. Some are even arrogant enough to use the threat of a longer disfellowshipment to dissuade someone from appealing.

As much as it hurts initially to be disfellowshipped, when someone realizes that this is simply the hierarchy of a man-made cult passing judgement, the freedom and healing begins.

tms