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TMS
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141JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts
by Maximus inthe october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.
the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.
" that means over half leave permanently.
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JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts
by Maximus inthe october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.
the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.
" that means over half leave permanently.
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Joel:
Good points. Many young people are leaving, but no where near 86%!
Java:
"Speaking of Brooklyn, does anyone know how many exit the Tower when leaving Bethel? I imagine the percentage is high, perhaps as high as exiting children. If the Society can't keep their own from jumping ship, it seems ridiculous and hyprcritical offering parents advice on a topic they fail at miserably."
This is so true. Many former Bethelites are among the most disillusioned. Seeing that it is an organization of men destroyed their fantasy of a "faithful and discreet slave".
I agree with most of what has been said on this thread, except that the figures are greatly exaggerated.
TMS
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When and where baptized
by drahcir yarrum ini thought it might be interesting to see how many here remember where and when they were baptised into the borg.
for some the memory may be too painful, but i'm curious.. me.
it was 1966 in vancouver, bc.
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Richard:
I was at the assembly at Empire Stadium in '66 when you were baptized, lingered a while to visit with apostates, who were handing out tracts at the entrance. Weren't you excited to get "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God"?
My baptism was at the South Seattle Kingdom Hall, March '53.
TMS
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JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts
by Maximus inthe october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.
the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.
" that means over half leave permanently.
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My third judicial committee experience as a naive Bible Study Servant c.1962 involved a newly baptized 12 yr old who had stolen a hot wheel type toy from K-Mart. To all of the questions(What prompted you to steal? Do you realize the reproach on Jehovah and his organization? Will you ever do this again?) he had only two words: "I dunno."
After deliberation we put him on probation for a year. This boy is now nearing 50 and long gone.The worshippers of Molech have nothing on Jehovah's Witnesses of the 20th and now 21st century. We have tossed so many children into the fire it is unreal. At the very instant in their young lives when the "desires incidental to youth" are at work, we brand them as unrepentant, incorrigible sinners, worthy of death.
TMS
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Fort Worth, Texas
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The A-(postate) Team
by ChuckD inimagine this;.
you have been on the fence for a while, but it is becoming more and more apparent to you that your leaving is just a matter of time, and that soon, very soon, it will all come to a head.
you wait for that phone call from the elders like winston smith awaited the bullet in the back of his head.
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Brother D,
That is the "beauty" of the judicial committee form of justice, three men acting as judges, jury and executioners. The accused is allowed no advocate. Even if he disagrees with the inevitable direction the proceedings are heading, he/she must meekly go along so as not to be judged "unrepentant".
No obververs are there to say: "I think the accused just made a salient point."
If the decision is appealed, the case is reheard by three similar men, chronies of the first three. Not only is the original decision almost always upheld, it will be "payback" time during the reinstatement process.
Could the deck be stacked any better?
TMS
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The dreaded conversation.......
by LDH inwell, it happened.. just this morning i was talking to my aunt, a life-long book sales rep for the wbts.
she asked me, "lisa, do you ever think you'll come back?".
i replied, "come back to what?
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Lisa.
Many of us fear the "dreaded conversation", as you put it. My folks are 85 and 81. Believe me, it is not out of cowardice, but only to spare them the stress, that I have side-stepped certain issues. Any other relatives or siblings can be dealt with easily, once the folks are gone.
I always feel a certain satisfaction, Lisa, when I think of how your two offspring and any that follow will be spared the pain and non-fulfillment of a JW upbringing.
TMS
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Re: Judah Ben Schroeder
by sf ini pulled this out of the "berry case evaluated" thread so my questions would not be overlooked:.
i just want to make sure i fully understand, as stated here as fact, that judah schroeder was never, is or ever will be, in any way, shape or form, a "representative" or "director" for any part of the wtbts; no matter what corporate name you call them.. what has he done and/ or what were his "duties"?.
please, a history of the man, if you will.. in appreciation, skally
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The last time I saw this lad was in 1969 in Pittsburg @ the KM School.
He looked to be about 11 or 12.
As class let out, Albert usually played a few minutes of "catch" with the boy. It seemed staged, as if to show all the overseers how balanced and normal their lives were. But, maybe I'm being cynical.TMS
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YOU THINK LIKE A JW !!!
by Prisca inthe above phrase has been bandied about in the past and present, often as a form of insult when the poster disagrees with something another poster has said.. but what exactly do they mean?.
how do you think like a jw?
is there a certain code of synapses that distinguish a jw from a non-jw?.
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Prisca.
Some current threads reflect a JW mentality, the concept of "proving by references" a religious point so convincingly that the person expressing the opposing view acquiesces. This so rarely happens in real life that it is almost an absurdity.
I realize the combatants are actually playing to a larger audience. but their efforts are no less futile than a JW trying to convince a Pentecostal that "tongues have ceased".
TMS
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Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot
by AlanF insince dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.
the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.
in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.
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AlanF:
"Today, hardly anyone making statements such as "I am God's mouthpiece" would be taken seriously."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++That is my principal concern about the articulate capitalizer, AGuest, AKA Shelby. Yeshua messages us through her.
Back on topic: It seems that C.T. Russell wanted the brethren to call him "the faithful and wise servant", rather than have to declare that "truth" himself.
TMS