as a rule, i believe jehovah's witnesses treat females as sub par to the menfolk.
i knew a lot of women in the hall that were smarter than their mates.
they begrudgingly got respect from most of the elders.
They were treated as troublemakers. The really intelligent women usually left the org. (men, too, for that matter)
Scully--your post is very typical of male behavior in the org. I simply cannot understand how a woman can put up with being considered a second class human being. They can't even pass around the microphone, for crissakes!
the peaceful ghost dance started by by desparate indians hoping for freedom, from the the greedy white man and his government caught on and was adopted by many tribes which frightened the us government that an uprising was in the making which was brought to an abrut end in the slaughter at wounded knee i have collected several renditions:.
i did not know then how much was ended.
when i look back now from this high hill of my old age, i can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered along the crooked gulch as plain as when i saw them with eyes still young.
My ex-husband was a full blood native American and my kids are half--and this "issue" of genocide is still fresh in the minds of the existing Natives in our country. Most Americans do not realize this. It didn''t happen that long ago.
With the implementation of gaming rights on federal land most remaining tribes have now built casinos and the money is being used for the most part to promote progress. My 22 year old daughter is an honor student at Davis, CA--paid for by her tribe. The next generation will see a crop of Native American doctors/lawyers/scientists, etc. This will be a positive change and I hope that finally the remaining native peoples in America will begin to heal and follow a new path to the future.
how many have become atheist after leaving the organization?
Agnostic here! Most likely atheist. I love Buddhism ,though. They take in everyone.
...for the wonderful barbeque yesterday.
my family and i had a great time.
the food was superb and also the company.
...for the wonderful barbeque yesterday. My family and I had a great time. The food was superb and also the company. I enjoyed meeting everyone who was able to attend.
does anyone remember the society saying if you have not celebrated your wedding anniversary before why begin now...it was in some sort of manner as that.
in other words if you had been celebrating your anniversary it is okay --but for newly weds, the boys in crooklyn they were suggesting not to start the ritual.. would appreciate date or article .
dan.
I think I heard that it was a "matter of conscience". In other words, you can do it but it isn't reccommended--and if it's going to stumble someone, then definitely no.
I remember thinking if I heard that word "stumble" one more time I was going to kick the nearest elder in the shins.
i'm sorry.. we've all been through alot.. .
Hey nvr--I forgive you, I forgive you , I forgive you. Even though I don't know what for.
I think we are all just too paranoid having been under such scrutiny from the BORG for so long.
I know I get antsy once in a while. Stay cool. I love your posts.
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someone is predicting 2008 as end of the world.. what do you think?.
Well, they're just plain WRONG!!!! Everybody knows it's going to happen in 2012. The Aztec Calendar predicted it, haha.
i have thought off and on about the jws for years.
my little sister brenda converted about 30 years ago and raised two sons in the truth as she called it.
one boy, mason, is still being raised as a jw (he is 15) and my other nephew, aaron, left the organization on his 18th birthday.
Dear Johanna, welcome to the board.
I do have to say that a group of true Christians would not have shunned or marked you because of your problems. Neither would they do so for smoking.
Most Witnesses are totally afraid of any type of mental illness since they think that if one is truly spiritual they will be "cured". If they don't get better, then it is (to them) evidence of weakness or even demon influence--thus the ill person winds up marked and shunned.
In the past it was totally unnacceptable to seek any type of psychological assistance. I know this for a fact because my own Mother suffered from severe clinical depression for many years as I was growing up. She was considered "weak" and at one point, after a breakdown in the Kingdom Hall, the elders tried to disfellowship her, but they wound up just "revoking" her baptism and announcing that over the platform. Around that same time, a young man began attending our congregation, got baptized, and then it became apparent he had some sort of mental illness. He was disfellowhipped almost immediately and then committed suicide.
Nowadays they have softened that hardline policy about psychiatry and say it is OK to take medication, especially for Bipolar Disorder (they even had an Awake article about it) but they do expect a rapid improvement and if it is not forthcoming then you will be immediately suspect and judged accordingly.
You went through the typical "love-bombing" that they offer to all newcomers. Once it was determined that you weren't progressing as you should they became afraid of you.
Please be careful and take care of yourself. As another poster said, there are many online support groups and even local groups for sufferers of Bipolar Disorder. I have a seriously ill 19 year old son and I have found a wealth of information and help online. PM me if you would like me to look up some links for you.
BTW, congratulations on not smoking but please, please, do not feel guilty if you slip. It's a little known fact that nicotine actually relieves some of the symptoms of various mental disorders and it is extra hard for people like yourself to give up the habit. My own son tells me that smoking makes his thoughts feel "less red" (whatever that means...) He stopped for two years but recently took it up again, much to my dismay, but I would never try to make him feel "evil" for giving in to the urge to smoke.
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july 3rd is my grandaughter's 1 year birthday.
i love her.
happy birthday eugenia!!!!!.
July 3rd is my grandaughter's 1 year birthday. I love her. Happy birthday Eugenia!!!!!
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just got a call from my jw mom, she wanted to let me know that my dad was taken to the hospital friday!!
!, he had another heart attack.
he is on a ventilator and needs bypass surgery (again) but the doctors can't operate since his hemoglobin is low and he has been on coumadin (blood thinner).
I work in the medical field and due to HIPAA you won't be able to get anything at all over the phone. Hugs to you and hope you can see your Dad.
