You should have added then next time he has a ache to go read the Bible in order to ease his pain and not take a medicine seen that's result of science. I refuse to have my parents on Facebook :D To avoid this type issues in future you can go to settings and limit what your dad can see in your timeline. Problem solved ;)
Posts by Skbj
-
33JW drone posted typical JW response about Syria on my Facebook wall
by TheStumbler ini like to keep politics and religion off my facebook.
i have friends.
colleagues and relatives on there from all different backgrounds.
-
-
-
41
Looking for advice
by Liveandlearn inhello, i've finally been approved here so it's time for my first post.
i got disfellowshipped a few months ago as i was unrepentant in my judicial.
i'd lived with a situtation for a long time.
-
-
Skbj
Hi Liveandlearn. In regards to fading that's something you can do before getting df'd in your case is already too late unfortunately. Fading is basically when you go gradually inactive stop attending service and meetings live your life (whether approved or not by WT standards) without raising alarm bells. I.e. if you are going out with someone you trying not to get caught in public, if you celebrate holidays you aren't going to put a big 9 foot high Xmas tree in your front yard etc. You keep your life on low key. There's people who manage to do this for a long time and that allows them to keep relationships open with the family. Seeing you were married and you wanted out and saw no other option, I am not sure that fading would have worked anyway. I also discourage you from getting back into it because of your family, you seem quite resolute and perhaps you have to experience it for yourself what we are trying to tell you, but if you really have to do it, I would suggest you do what someone else also mentioned to move as far as possible as you can and drive into the meetings. That way you can keep your life and start living the lie again. Mind you, you would always have to watch over your shoulder and if the elders know you moved, they might suggest you go to a local congregation and contact the elders (it damned happened to me at one stage lol) of that area so the move would have been for nothing or you might have to move again. Frankly is very stressful and I know it's family, my family shunned me for some years too but I stuck to my guns and always made appeal to their human and emotional intelligence in discussions and eventually they came around to accept and stop shunning me. Same goes for my other JW relatives and some of them are elders too. They always are of the thought probably that by showing me love I might change my mind ...but hey I let them dwell in their own thoughts :) Like finally awake said: your family are adults and they are responsible for their own emotions and choices, you cannot force them to be or do or feel. The best you can do is go on living your life successfully, that, believe me I speak from experience, is more working than any fake going back or argument you can have. Good luck :)
-
26
I have been asked to submit work for next year's open studio exhibit
by nugget inmy husband showed some of my work to artists exhibiting in this years open studio event and i have been asked to submit work for next year.
as soon as the children go back to school i will be busy with the isograph pens.
as a witness i gave up my art studies and my dream of fine art because it was not appropriate for a witness.
-
-
Skbj
Great news!! :) Nice drawings btw! Go for it and keep us posted!!
-
8
November AWAKE!
by St George of England inwell i've just had a quick read through the november awake on jw.org.
usual twaddle but they must have run out of 'scientists' for their monthly feature, we have a pianist this month.. sexting, morals and the menopause all there to keep you facinated for ten minutes.. george.
.
-
-
Skbj
November is sexting...my guess for December we'll all get some insight in twerking ;D
-
70
hi everybody..
by americanboy inhi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
-
-
Skbj
@Valkerye well said. @Americanboy italian translation is here: http://justpaste.it/6004 (hope that's not against the rules :P) It's okay that you feel how you feel about what I said. You are responding as a normal JW would. What I would like to tell you is how funny that the Watch Tower when it suits them they use newspapers, and books (often out of context) to support what they Watch Tower wants to say. In that case the same news paper is a CREDIBLE source. However if the same newspaper says something against the Watch Tower it automatically becomes unreliable and all they write is lies. I agree there are a lot of papers and/or books that publish things that aren't true, or they twist the truth, but many also publish real facts, and this is not just about JW, I'm talking about everything. It's up to us to use our discernment and understand what's true what's not. And to do that it takes research and open mind to want to learn the truth about something. After all when you go preaching door to door you ask people to ask question to their church and dig dig & dig until they come to the truth, so I invited you to do the same nothing more, nothing less. I invite you not to go read random newspapers, of course sure they can write what they like, I invite you to research and find legal documents, which now days are actually quite easy to get and actually for the sexual abuse example I mentioned, you don't even have to look outside the organization, ask the elders in your congregation to show you from their book....oh wait! They can't show you! That's for elders' eyes only. ;) Luckily for you you can have a copy here just put it on the search field. You know my future is pretty good same as my last 15 years have been actually, I can definitely tell you that my husband and I are looking forward to a better future than my parents are for sure.See the problem with many JW like any other cult after all is they are so focused on the future that they forget to live the present. We have no debts, we have a happy family life, good friends and by good I don't mean just good people, but true friends that come through when you need it. Can't say the same about the friends I used to have in the congregation growing up. The worst stabbings in the back I actually got them from "brothers and sisters". Gossiping, maliciousness, or and the piece of resistance, my ex best friend a "sister" who wasn't just spiritual sister but to me was as good as carnal sister as our parents are best friends, well she tried to seduce my then fiance`then when I caught her and confronted her she went to spread lies that he was the one who tried. Yet...JW are the best :D I haven't left for these people but seeing you mentioned what an organization full of nice people and how we have to obey to associate with such people I wanted to give you a personal example. But going back to the future, you know...I'm actually okay with the prospect of dying. I don't fear death whether is happens tomorrow or in 50 years, and the reason I don't fear it is because I'm at peace with myself and I live life to the fullest that happy paradise status already exists in my heart. When I do something good is because I want to, because it makes me happy not to make someone else (God) happy or to use my good deed as a credit to win a prize later on (eternal life). I know, for you is difficult to understand this, you are taught that there is no happiness away from the organization of Jehovah. There is no life, no satisfaction, no meaning. My parents probably expected me to phone home at some point, in tears feeling sorry for my life, how things weren't happening for me. Unfortunately for them that phone call never came. I wish I took a picture to show their face when they came to visit me the first time. Their eyes were popping out in disbelief how nice the place I lived was and how my life was "in order". Then when I had a dinner party and invited my closest friends a total of 6 nationalities were sitting at the table and when my friends left my mom comment was: "Your friends are wonderful, I spent such a beautiful evening like if I were with brothers and sisters." They had to admit life for me had not turned so depressing as the watch tower would have you believing. Same thing happened with my wedding. Initially my parents didn't want to come because of the religion then they decided at the last minute to come and they went back home incredibly inspired from the love, the genuine feeling, elegance and pleasantness showed not only by us but from all those attending. They couldn't talk about anything else for months and I'm not exaggerating...by the way..my mother tries to avoid telling me "bad news" about TG that I know but I ask anyway and all those I grew up with? I count around 15 "close" friends I grew up with...all married other TG all divorced. I'm not telling you this to show off, but to make you understand that having a life of satisfaction is an INDIVIDUAL thing, is not something depending of being attached to a religious organization and also this is to explain that there are a lot of good people in the world who actually behave better than JW, and to be honest I find more encouragement in choosing my own friends based on my discernment than being forced to frequent fake people as those I knew and frequented when I was in the organization. That stuff it traumatizing in my opinion. And in regards to: "non si puo imitare gesu solo in parte,per quello che ci fa comodo,anche perchè le cose che dici di fare,le fanno tutte le persone civili....la vera ubbidienza però,sta nel fare cio che ci viene difficile" What I mentioned are things that all civil people do? Really? So why I've never seen heard or read of JW doing charity work extended to everyone, not just helping their own people? When's the last time you've gone to your local social community centre and went to offer practical help or financial help to for disable people, elderly people, poor people who were not JW?
-
70
hi everybody..
by americanboy inhi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
-
-
Skbj
@Truth - of course not :) TBH I don't think I've ever even read the rules because English has become my main language anyway. Writing the above in Italian was a mission and a half lol.
@ Simon. Eh...it still sucks but Google translate/chrome makes me laugh. It's like reading off the script of one of those old westerns with cowboys and indians and how they made indians speak with broken english.
-
70
hi everybody..
by americanboy inhi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
-
-
Skbj
@ Truth,
Noted. I only wrote in Italian to avoid loosing over translation an important message, seeing the OP's English is not perfect and already some things were misunderstood.
-
70
hi everybody..
by americanboy inhi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
-
-
Skbj
Caro AmericanBoy,
spiegandoti cosa altri intendono quando la societa` chiama coloro che non vogliono seguire un' organizzazione condotta da uomini, pazzi, malati mentali ecc. beh quello e` un insulto. Se come dici tu e` una scelta perche` le riviste devono attaccare cosi` coloro che scelgono differentemente?
Faccio un esempio: se tu da carpentiere cambiassi mestiere e volessi fare l'elettricista...rimani sempre nel settore costruzioni, fai sempre un lavoro buono come prima, con passione e cura. Ora pensa se i carpentieri nella tua zona cominciassero a dire che sei impazzito, che hai lasciato il tuo mestiere che non sei in te, e publicassero questo su poster e manifesti, che diano alle persone della tua zona. Penseresti lo stesso che non sei insultato?
Quello che molti in questo forum ti hanno detto e prima di tutto benvenuto, in questo sito troverai fratelli, sorelle, che sono ancora nell' organizzazione, anziani, gente che e` alla betel ecc, ma anche gente che non sono piu` Testimoni e gente che non lo e` mai stata, magari sono sposati con un testimone or hanno un amico or qualcuno in famiglia che lo e` or era. Insomma ci sono persone di diverse provenienze.
Quello che non troverai e` pregiudizio perche` credi o non credi a questo o quello.
Quello che troverai sono un sacco di esperienze, di domande, di richerche, di risposte dalla bibbia, dall' organizzazione. Forse non hai raggiunto quel momento nella tua coscienza dove cominci a notare cose, comportamenti or regole che forse non hanno senso, cambi di dottrine. Ed e` okay, se non hai raggiunto quel momento, forse non arrivera` mai, e forse un giorno arrivera`. Quello che ti invito a fare e` se mai quel momento arrivera` di non zittire la tua coscienza. Ascoltala.
Condivido con te brevemente la mia esperienza. Io non frequento piu` i testimoni da 15 anni. In tutti questi anni, ho sempre pensato che la questione residesse con me, non accettavo alcune dottrine. Semplicemente non facevano senso a me. Sono nata e cresciuta con quegli insegnamenti, i miei genitori sono ancora dentro cosi come molta della mia estesa famiglia. Come dicevo in tutti questi anni, pensavo che anche se io avevo delle idee differenti, avevo assoluto rispetto per i TG. Non ho mai cercato ne sono stata interessata a scoprire cose che difamassero l'organizzazione infatti non mi e` proprio interessato il discorso religione e Li rispettavo xke` ero convinta che fossero veramente l'unica religione che si sforzasse di seguire la bibbia e ubbidire a dio.
L'anno scorso per puro caso, ho letto un articolo di giornale di anni fa che mi ha incuriosito e ho cominciato a fare ricerche e quello che ho scoperto e` stato talmente angosciante che non ho dormito per 3 giorni di fila. Non ho mai pianto cosi` tanto in vita mia. Non vado neanche nel discorso dottrine ti dico cio che mi ha spezzato il cuore: Scoprire per esempio che la societa` Torre di guardia e` stata parte della bestia selvaggia, le nazioni unite x 10 anni, e se non fosse che questo in alcune nazioni di lingua inglese divento` di pubblica informazione, probabilmente lo sarebbero ancora. Queste non sono menzogne che una persona ha scritto ci sono documenti legali che puoi ricercare anche tu. Sapere che da una parte dice ai fratelli, di stare fuori da questo sistema di cose e poi la societa` se stessa ha investimenti in compagnie che fabbricano armi, che finanzia convenzioni e sono completamente immischiati con sistemi di alte finanze, le stesse che hanno contribuito al crollo finanziario del '08. Sapere che se una persona (incluso minorenne) viene abusata sessualmente, gli anziani hanno nel loro libro "speciale" Pascere il gregge, il comando dalla societa` di NON contattare le autorita` e aiutare la vittima, ma invece di contattare gli avvocati della societa`x evitare che diventi una cosa pubblica.
Non so altri ma io anche se non frequentavo piu` da 15 anni, e` li che mi e` venuta una crisi di coscienza che non ho potuto ignorare. E non ti dico con quanto dolore penso ogni giorno ai miei genitori che hanno passato 40 anni, in miseria. Ora passati i 60 anni non hanno un soldo messo via per la pensione e non devo dire a te che vivi in italia quanto brutta e` la situazione in Italia, vero? Infatti, ora e` la figlia, la stessa figlia che avrebbe dovuto essere lei in miseria perche` si era allontanata dall' organizzazione, quella figlia che hanno ostracizzato e ricattato emotivamente per alcuni anni per aver fatto scelte diverse (x fortuna poi le cose sono migliorate). Quella stessa figlia e` lei ad aiutarli. Non dico per sentirmi dire grazie, e` ovvio che e` mio dovere e lo faccio di cuore, ma lo dico perche` mi fa soffrire che abbiano fatto scelte che non sono infatti state saggie. Probabilmente pensavano che il paradiso sarebbe gia arrivato e non avrebbero raggiunto la pensione. Non inizio neache a parlarti di quanto depressi sono, e i miei genitori non sono testimoni cosi cosi, sono persone considerate "spirituali" mia mamma e` stata pioniera regolare per tanti anni, eppure sono depressi. Io invece ho avuto una bella vita. Non sono stata una di quelle persone che come ha smesso di frequentare si e` data alla pazzia con questo sistema di cose. Al contrario. Ma la mia fortuna e` stata che ho sempre mantenuto un' esistenza bilanciata quando ero dentro. Ho sempre usato la mia di testa che grazie a dio funziona bene, per determinare se una cosa avesse senso o no. Infatti devo dirti che ho condotto piu` una cosidetta "vita cristiana" quando ho smesso di frequentare l'organizzazione che quando ero dentro. E per vita cristiana intendo di imitare Gesu`Cristo. Di fare agli altri come voglio sia fatto a me, di aiutare i piu` deboli, di non giudicare se uno e` peccatore, quale credo, provenienza, passato, or orientazione sessuale abbia, ma di fare del bene a tutti.
Quando ero dentro all' organizzazione, la mia vita era costituita di regole, prega, studia, ricerca publicazioni della societa`, vai in predicazione almeno un tot di ore, sforzati almeno una volta di fare il pioniere, non mancare adunanze, leggi riviste e libri che danno, associati solo con altri testimoni.
Ora che ho scoperto queste cose sull' organizzazione non posso piu` avere il rispetto che avevo prima. Saro` sincera e ti dico che Il rispetto e` stato rimpiazzato con un senso di violazione. Rendermi conto a 35 anni che quella che pensavo fosse un' organizzazione pura invece e` corrotta, ipocrita e immischiata con tutte le cose che dice ai suoi aderenti di aborrire...beh e` un bel colpo da digerire. Fai un po' tu.
Come ho detto sicuramente non sei arrivato a quel momento di crisi, forse non hai notato nente di "strano" l'unica cosa che ti auguro e` che se mai un giorno la tua coscienza dovesse bussare e farti domande, solo: ascoltala e vai a trovare le risposte, non sulle pubblicazioni ma fai proprie ricerche ovunque finche non hai tutte le parti del fatto.
Buona fortuna in Canada o America, spero i tuoi desideri si avverino, io ormai non vivo piu in Italia da 16 anni e devo dire e` tra le cose migliori abbia fatto :)
@ everyone else sorry I'm not translating the post is far too long :P use google translate if you case to know what I said lol
-
71
Are You Upset My Miley Cyrus' Performance On MTV Awards?
by minimus ini'm not, even a little bit and i don't understand what the outrage is all about..
-
-
Skbj
@ everyone else who keeps on bring up Syria.
Lighten up!
Guys...seriously, I can ask the same question to all the rest of threads about doctrines and JW you worry about. How about you worry about Syria instead of spending time debating religious philosophy?
Don't get me wrong I am not saying syria isn't important but allow for people to discuss what they feel like discussing instead of constant gloom and death sometime people just wanna to chill for a minute and bit*h about about something meaningless like Miley in peace.
Just stayin.
-
10
Boy is this young woman in for a surprise
by confusedandalone inhttp://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/why-a-former-model-is-covering-up-for-love-182140949.html.
this poor woman was a victoria secret model.
she gave it up to become a muslim.
-
-
Skbj
He's fit tho' :D
Well first of all I doubt that him or the family are that strict mulism...he wouldn't marry an outsider wouldn't even wear what he's wearing. Just looking at that pic he strikes me to be quite liberal. Most muslims I know are liberal, I call them" passport muslims" i.e. they are because they are born into a muslim country/family, and for him to have gotten a victoria's secrets model my guess is he's well off and known in his comunity or at least his family is so the fact that they might not want tell his family she was a glamour model is more to do with reputation than religion. After all, any westerner would also have the same issue probably if he had to introduce to his parents an ex stripper or ex hooker...so how did you meet? Ummm she gave me a lap dance at the joint downtown....see the similarities?
Secondly Tunisia isn't the middle East is North Africa so let's not mix that and thirdly wow I sense quite a lot of prejudice towards Islam. I don't care for the religion but I do live in a Muslim country bang in the middle of the "middle east" and I can assure you is not hell for a woman to live here at least not in this country. In fact is very pleasant.
But it did make me laugh what she said They don’t do one-night stands or casual flings.
LOL she obviously never visited where I live baby needs to go on a night out with me then she'll get to see a whoooooole new world.