Posts by stocwach

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Just As In the Days of Noah

by Farkel in

since the bible makes it clear that jesus believed in the scriptural account of the flood and since the evidence that a worldwide flood as described in that same scriptural account would have been virtually impossible, why should anyone trust jesus to be man's redeemer and the only begotten son of god?.

farkel

stocwach

AChristian,

I understand the point you are trying to make with Peter's notation of Noah being a preacher of righteousness, however, there is no question that this can only be pure speculation, because there is no OT scripture that alludes to Noah preaching of imending doom.

Noah no doubt however was a preacher of righteousness right up until the time that God commanded him to build an ark because he would destroy all mankind due to their evil ways. It appears that God had administered his judgement at that point.

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You Know--digging a deeper hole once again...

by stocwach in

jw
friends

c'mon, you check in once and now you won't respond?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23335&site=3.

by the way, if new technology developed that could immediately reveal one's true identity, would you start to sweat if the gb and elders read all your rogue, non conforming and unique views?

stocwach

Instead, he communicates those views to the proper ones in Brooklyn. They know his name and the Congregation he attends.
Okay, I'll humor you on this. What form of communication, and with whom specifically? Who are the "proper ones"?
Surely there must have been letters sent to the GB? The GB just doesn't have an open door policy that allows you to call them up and tell them over the phone what's on your mind, now do they? Why not post a letter now and then and truly show us that Brooklyn is well aware?
I suspect that whoever You Know is communicating with back in Brooklyn are simply others who share the same rogue views, and therefore see no need for reproof within his congregation. Otherwise, if his views and the fact that he continually posts them on the internet were truly to be revealed that the GB is well aware of the situation yet has done nothing to clean the organization, do you realize what kind of implication this would have on the rank and file if it were known to the masses that the GB has just been on the sidelines doing nothing and allowing a rogue member to represent the organization is such a way????????
Even You Know said in a previous post:
[QUOTE]If they adopt beliefs that are significantly different from the beliefs and practices of the rest of the brotherhood then they bring into question whether they can continue to represent the organization.

I would say You Know definitely shares in some significantly different views! Like the one where he believes that the WT will have served it's purpose at/during/after Armageddon (I can't remember exactly which)blah blah blah.

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You Know--digging a deeper hole once again...

by stocwach in

jw
friends

c'mon, you check in once and now you won't respond?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23335&site=3.

by the way, if new technology developed that could immediately reveal one's true identity, would you start to sweat if the gb and elders read all your rogue, non conforming and unique views?

stocwach

I apologize for the format above. I guess I am typing too quickly. Hopefully you have the gist.

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You Know--digging a deeper hole once again...

by stocwach in

jw
friends

c'mon, you check in once and now you won't respond?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23335&site=3.

by the way, if new technology developed that could immediately reveal one's true identity, would you start to sweat if the gb and elders read all your rogue, non conforming and unique views?

stocwach

[QUOTE]Once again you're mistaken. If You Know were truly an apostate like you and the others here then you and they would be calling him your friend

LOL!!!!!!! Show me where the WT says to qualify as an "apostate", one has to be called "friend" by fellow "apostates", otherwise one is not an "apostate"!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me help you out--a textbook definition is for "apostate" is: One who has abandoned or forsaken one's religious beliefs/principles.

Since You Know clearly doesn't adhere to all JW policy/doctrine/beliefs, and is very much a renegade of sorts, you Yadirf are sadly mistaken.

Yadirf, it looks like I have to investigate your posts more thoroughly, I'm not that familiar with your position and views, but with a ridiculous comment like above I suspect your in the same boat as You Know.

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Watchtower 2/01/02 Study article#1 Was he there?

by wokeup in

todays' study article stated in paragraph 6 "harmonizing the gospel accounts indicates that only after this traitor was gone did jesus institute the memorial of his death.

" paragraph 2 cited the 3 gospel accounts including luke 21:19,20 but conviently excluded verse 21 why?

because immediately after mentioning the loaf and wine jesus stated "but look!

stocwach

Mark 14:17-18 says (NLT) "In the evening Jesus arrived with the 12 disciples. As they were sitting around the table eating, Jesus said, 'The truth is, one of you will betray me...'" Then vs. 22 and 23 is where he takes the bread and wine.

Matthew 26:20 "...Jesus sat down at the table with the 12 disciples." Then Jesus in vs. 23 reveals one who is eating with them will betray him. Vs. 25 says "Judas, the one who would betray him, also asked, 'Teacher, I'm not the one, am I?' And Jesus told him, "You have said it yourself.'" Vs. 26 "As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf..."

If you want to "harmonize" Gospel accounts, considerably more evidence points to Judas being there for the institution of the Memorial. Matthew and Mark specifically make no mention of Judas leaving at all, and therefore implies they were all there. Luke specifically says he was there, and John doesn't make mention of the bread and wine at all, but simply that Jesus told Judas to go, but the disciples had no idea what Jesus meant.

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You Know--digging a deeper hole once again...

by stocwach in

jw
friends

c'mon, you check in once and now you won't respond?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23335&site=3.

by the way, if new technology developed that could immediately reveal one's true identity, would you start to sweat if the gb and elders read all your rogue, non conforming and unique views?

stocwach

C'mon, you check in once and now you won't respond?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23335&site=3

By the way, if new technology developed that could immediately reveal one's true identity, would you start to sweat if the GB and elders read all your rogue, non conforming and unique views? You realize you would be disassociated if not disfellowshipped don't you? By defaut of WT doctrine you cannot deny that!

I've got a secret for you...your "apostate" just like the rest of us because of your views. Your just too stubborn or ignorant to admit it--but I'm not sure which one it is.

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Jesus' Sword

by JosephAlward in

im reposting here an argument that appeared in november, 2001, which received little in the way of meaningful rebuttal.

perhaps rwc and other die-hard inerrantists on this forum will be able to show why we shouldnt believe that matthews claims are ridiculous.. here it is:.

the author of the matthew gospel was by far the most unreliable of the bibles writers, as evidenced by his appalling lack of understanding of the old testament and his willingness to imagine that it was filled with prophecies of the coming savior.. .

stocwach

correction: meant to say "Matthew's prophecy 'FULFILLMENT ATTEMPT' is 100% accurate"

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Jesus' Sword

by JosephAlward in

im reposting here an argument that appeared in november, 2001, which received little in the way of meaningful rebuttal.

perhaps rwc and other die-hard inerrantists on this forum will be able to show why we shouldnt believe that matthews claims are ridiculous.. here it is:.

the author of the matthew gospel was by far the most unreliable of the bibles writers, as evidenced by his appalling lack of understanding of the old testament and his willingness to imagine that it was filled with prophecies of the coming savior.. .

stocwach

Joe Joe Joe, tsk. tsk. tsk.

Instead of taking Bible verses out of context, why don't you give readers a better background of what was happening in Matthew.

Jesus had assembled the 12 apostles and instructed them to announce to the people of Israel that the Kingdom was near.

In addition to mentioning that they would be handed over to the courts, beaten in the synagogues, arrested, etc. Matt. 10: 21-22 says (NLT) "Brother will betray brother to death, fathers will betray their own children, and children will rise against their parents and cause them to be killed. AND EVERYONE WILL HATE YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO ME. But those who endure to the end will be saved." My how this changes everything eh Joey boy?

Matthews prophecy is 100% accurate! It has nothing to do with Jesus being kind or not. It's about Bible prophecy being fulfilled that Jesus would be rejected, so much so to the very core of the family unit.

Interesting verse however is one that can be appropriately applied directly to you Joe--vs. 26 says "...For the time is coming when everything will be revealed; all that is secret will be made public."

Joe Alward debunked yet once again.

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Why Didn't They Know?

by JosephAlward in

the following is excerpted from an article by frank r. zindler, "did jesus exist?

" at http://www.atheists.org/church/didjesusexist.html.

emphasis is added.. john e. remsburg, in his classic book the christ: a critical review and analysis of the evidence of his existence (the truth seeker company, ny, no date, pp.

stocwach

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn.

Pagans are considered hedonists, non -Christians, and for that matter, those with no religion whatsoever.

The fact that Jews have as a majority rejected Christ is no mystery as well.

The Bible foretold that many would reject the message and Christ.

Meaningless and irrelevant drivel once again Joe.

It is very sad that all you have time to do is post nonsense like this, with no hope of anything at all, other than living for moments like these.

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Who is actualy a jehovah witness here? I mean Jeez

by ShyGurlie in

im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.

stocwach

Shygurlie, you said:

Also it is a known fact that not everyblood transfusion is safe. Blood may contain disease that will end up killing the indivual. Things like Aids, hepitatis and other disease can come from tainted blood.

That statement is really lending credibility to how naive you really are. Science can prove all day long to you that the benefits of blood transfusions far outweigh the risks of contracting some type of disease from blood. The WT simply leaves out the very fact that tainted blood represents a very small percentage of blood that is available.

The amount of deaths that have occured on the operating table because no blood was administered however is a travesty!

Shygurlie, do yourself a favor and sincerely read the Bible, and leave the WT publications out of it. You will be very enlightened!

Also do some research on the WT continual flip flopping doctrinal change that has occured throughout the years, as well as the numerous failed prophecies they have uttered. The Bible says to beware of false prophets. Need I say more?