Satanus, really enjoyed the baboon, very thought provoking. As far as the after humans shows, I personally can't turn them off once I start watching. Maybe it's just the scenario they portray. Things would never happen like that in reality, but if it did, it just shows me much work is needed on the part of humans to maintain the life we have, and how powerful nature is, and how things would go on without us. I guess it shows me that after a lifetime of being taught that the earth was specially made for humans, in reality we are insignificant. What it shows me is that we are just another species, a very unique species indeed, but yet just another species.
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The After Humans Shows
by Satanus indo any of you watch those?
i don't, cuz i disagree w the concept.
also, at present, i suspect that they may be being put there as a softening up measure on the general public.. what do you think?.
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Hidden implications of Genesis
by losthobbit intoday when i read it, i see a completely different story.. the bible is completely true, or at least that's what many people believe.
when asking them which translation is true, the person might pick their favourite translation.
when asking about things that contradict, be logically incorrect, or refer to unscientific things like the four corners of the earth, one might get a response that some of it is symbolic, and not meant to be taken literally, but everything else is entirely true.. the same principle can be applied to any piece of writing.
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Losthobbit,
I too was like you reading Genesis and being so used to hearing it my whole life never gave it much deep thought. It really is amazing to read and anaylze what it actually says. Thanks for your post.
You might enjoy the writings of Runningman, the links no longer work but the whole book is on the second page http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/154236/1/The-Atheists-Book-of-Bible-Stories
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Getting upset with children who cannot sit through the meetings.
by life is to short inok this thought came to me the other day.
i was thinking of the co who told me that he liked to see parents spank their children for not sitting still during the meetings.. i remember how hard it was to sit through two hours when i was four or five years old.
it was like forever.. i was thinking of comparing the hours that we have been alive to how long two hours is for a child.
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This is appropriate for this thread
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/141728/1/Interesting-bit-of-history
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A Lurker taking a step out of the shadows
by AlmightyDog ini have been lurking on this site and others for a couple of years now, and i feel it is time to step out and say "hello!
" when i first began investigating my beliefs, it was innocent enough.
i had been reading an article on scientology, thinking; "wow, these people are just plain nuts!!!
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This situation has been faced by many, there usually is no easy solution. And has been said, once you look behind the curtain, there is no going back. Good luck in your efforts.
I really appreciate Terry's thoughts about loyalty. In my experience, that really highlights the crux of the matter.
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How were Rutherford's Cadillacs purchased?
by InterestedOne ini mentioned rutherford's cadillacs to my study conductor, and he said maybe rutherford was able to purchase them because he was independently wealthy.
were they purchased from his own personal wealth or with the wt funds?.
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So was it the Heath's or Robert Martin that donated the property, according to the Golden Age it was Martin.
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A. H. MacMillan Letter from 1915
by Marvin Shilmer ina. h. macmillan letter from 1915. .
this letter provides a small piece of insight about circumstances inside watchtower about one year prior to c. t. russells death.
a copy is available on my blog at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/h-macmillan-letter-from-1915.html.
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SBF,
Not to my knowledge.
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A. H. MacMillan Letter from 1915
by Marvin Shilmer ina. h. macmillan letter from 1915. .
this letter provides a small piece of insight about circumstances inside watchtower about one year prior to c. t. russells death.
a copy is available on my blog at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/h-macmillan-letter-from-1915.html.
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I was wondering how you got this letter, but I forgot about this thread I started
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/141339/1/MacMillan-Letter
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The demons are sex perverts according to the March 15th WT
by life is to short inok i finished listening to the stupid wt today while driving to work.
i got so mad listening that i truly cannot do it while i drive.
it is worse then talking on a cell phone as it just makes my blood boil.. the study article on page 24 and 25 is talking about satan and the demons.
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More discussion please. I don't want to be a thread killer.
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The demons are sex perverts according to the March 15th WT
by life is to short inok i finished listening to the stupid wt today while driving to work.
i got so mad listening that i truly cannot do it while i drive.
it is worse then talking on a cell phone as it just makes my blood boil.. the study article on page 24 and 25 is talking about satan and the demons.
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This thread deserves this essay, it's from Runningman's book, do a member search and you can access it on the last thread he started. Thanks Fred!
The Story of the Flood
After the creation of the human race, things went along on their merry way for a long time. If you follow the list of who begat whom, and how long each of them lived, you come to the conclusion that Adam was created around 4000 BC.
But, after about a millennium and a half, trouble started to brew. Some angels became inflamed with lust for human women and took on human form. They mated with humans, forming a race of huge bullies. Things got so bad that God decided that he would wipe out all life from the earth and start over again.
It turns out that in all the earth, there was only one good man. So, God told this man, Noah, to build a huge boat that would house samples of every form of non-water based life.
Then, after working for 100 years, God loaded Noah, his family, and all the animals onto the ark, and then it started to rain. By this time, it was around the year 2400 BC. It rained for 40 days and nights, during which time, enough water fell to cover even the highest mountains.
When the earth was wiped clean, the waters receded, and Noah let his family and the animals out of the ark to begin repopulating the planet.
The ProblemAs I mentioned earlier, this is a story that appeals to persons on a childish level. Unfortunately, there are persons who believe that it is literally true in its every detail. This belief forces these persons into a very distasteful position, as we will now see.
The remainder of this essay is intended for a mature audience, so Christians may want to skip to the next one.
The initial act that started the chain of events, is described by the following bible verses:
“Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely all whom they chose.” - Genesis 6:1,2 (NWT)
Within the next three verses, things deteriorated so much that the only reasonable act for a loving God would be to murder all life. It seems a little odd to me that the angels who started all of this escaped back to heaven, but the humans, who were only secondary to the story, and the animals, who didn’t know what the hell was going on, were executed.
The key point here, is that the event that kicked off the flood was the desire of angels to mate with humans.
In other words, the angels got horny. Now, this has some interesting implications. From this story, and a few other Bible references, we can piece together an interesting picture of the nature of heaven.
The sex drive in humans and animals is caused by chemicals that are produced in the body. In fact, a person’s sex drive can be eliminated or changed through surgery and hormone therapy. The point of the matter is that, without these chemicals, there is no sex drive.
At this point, we must pause a moment to consider the nature of angels. According to the Bible, angels are direct creations of God. They do not reproduce. As well, they do not have the inherited original sin of Adam and Eve to taint them. They are perfect. This does not mean that they are incapable of sin. It merely means that they are incapable of accidental sin. If an angel sins, it is because he meant it. It also means that if an angel feels sexual desire, it must have been placed there by his creator.
In order for an angel to become inflamed with lust for a human woman, it would be necessary for the angel to have a sex drive of some sort. If they were completely neuter in every way, they would find human women about as attractive as we find rocks. For this story to function, God must have created angels with sex drives.
Conclusion # 1: Angels are created with a sex drive.
Now that we have established this unusual fact, let’s continue. Notice that the Bible says that the angels found human women attractive, and they took on the bodies of men. Also, notice that it does not say that any of them found human men attractive, and none of them took on the bodies of women. This leads us inescapably to our next conclusion.
Conclusion # 2: All angels are men.
Some of you may be tempted to jump ahead of me, but let’s go slow, and develop this carefully. Our next area of inquiry is regarding the possibility of angelic reproduction.
Jesus gives us some insight into the nature of angelic interrelationships:
“For in the resurrection, neither do men marry, nor are women given in marriage, but are as the angels in heaven.” - Matthew 22:30 (NWT)
In addition to this direct statement, we note that there is no reference anywhere in the Bible to female angels, angelic marriage, or angelic reproduction of any sort. This leads us to our next conclusion:
Conclusion # 3: Angels have no natural outlet for their sexual urges.
Finally, I must add some information regarding the quantities of angels.
The book of Daniel makes reference to “ten thousand times ten thousand” standing before God. A quick multiplication shows that there are one hundred million angels present in this scene, and there may be others as well.
Also, angels have been in existence for a long time. The Bible says that God rested after creating Adam and Eve, so any angels that exist must have been created before them; therefore, angels are ancient.
Conclusion # 4: There are lots and lots of angels and they have a lot of time on their hands
Now, for the slower ones among us, who have not yet figured out what I am getting at, let’s put all four conclusions together, and finish this off:
Angels are created with a sex drive
All angels are men
Angels have no natural outlet for their sexual urges
There are lots and lots of angels, with lots and lots of time
With this logic in mind, we can deduce that heaven must be like a huge prison shower room. I suppose that there are some people who have always had this concept of heaven, or at least hoped for it, but you will have to admit that this is not the mainstream viewpoint. If it were, the Cistine Chapel would be restricted to adults only.
I think it’s safe to say that this exercise illustrates just how ridiculous is the story of the flood. These conclusions, although absurd, are the natural outgrowth of the story, itself. In order for the events of the flood to get off the ground, this must be true.
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In 25 Years Will The WT.Organization Still Be Around?
by minimus ini think so.
and i doubt it'll grow much, if at all, but i think it will still be around.. what do you think?.
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Just n, that was great!