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Seattle radio discusses JW blood policy deaths

by Nathan Natas in

this week a 14 year old jw named dennis lindberg died because he refused blood transfusions which were part of his treatment for leukemia.. this has garnered some unwanted attention on jws from the seattle news media.. there are two of these programs available for download:.

kvi radio thursday, 11/29/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384064.

kiro radio friday, 11/30/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384118.

somebody

Nathan Natas,

Thanks again. I just listened to Fridays and I'm SO upset I can't even think straight right now.

Before I head to bed and for now, I will say this. If a JW who is 14 years old sets a bulding on fire, I'd be willing to bet that his JW gardian or parents whould say " well, he's ONLY A 14 YEAR OLD CHILD! He's immature!

One other thing is that it would be nice if JWs would state which is true....accepting a blood transufusion is against thier faith, or that accepting a blood transfusion is not going against ther faith, but is a conscience decision. Seems the JWs who phoned in are not in "unity" as JWs calim to be.

Either way, I don't think the judge made the right decision in letting a 14 year old child make that life or death decsion for himself. Had he truly been raised that accepting a blood transfusion is a conscience decision, he probably would have treated that as he had other "conscience decsions" the GB allow it's adherents/JWs to make. He would have not treated accepting a blood transfusion as a sin in which he would have needed to prove to those who hold the title of elder in his congregation that he was repentent for.

I'm tired and realize I'm getting carried away, so I'll say goodnight and see what others here have to say. It's a SAD situation! I hope that aunt can someday forgive herself for teaching the teachings of the GB to her nephew.

peace and goodnight,

somebody/gwen

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Seattle radio discusses JW blood policy deaths

by Nathan Natas in

this week a 14 year old jw named dennis lindberg died because he refused blood transfusions which were part of his treatment for leukemia.. this has garnered some unwanted attention on jws from the seattle news media.. there are two of these programs available for download:.

kvi radio thursday, 11/29/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384064.

kiro radio friday, 11/30/07 - http://www.badongo.com/file/5384118.

somebody

Thank you, Nathan Natas!

I only listened to Thursdays so far. It is SO sad that this 14 year old chose to die. Fot what reasons I would say that nobody knows, IF he were not a JW and living with JW gardians for the past 2 years.

Being an active member INSIDE the JW sect for 10 years leads me to believe that. There are three things that stood out in my mind when listening, so I'm going to say them now, while they are fresh in my mind.

#1 is that JWs who make a conscience decision to accept a blood tranfusion have to REPENT for making that "conscience decision". If they do not REPENT FOR THAT "SIN"( i.e. accepting the blood tranfusion), then they WILL BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED. On what grounds? On the grounds of being an UNREPENTENT SINNER. So much for being free to make decisions according to ones conscience!

#2 is that the public do not know that JWs are taught that if one dies before the "new world gets here"/before armageddon arrives, they are automattically forgiven for thier sins. DEATH FORGIVES SINS is what JWs are taught. And if anyone remebers being 14 years old, then we remember plenty of "sins of the mind", even if not acted out. And hpw many of us who were JWs at that age GUILTY with a captal G of the "secret sin" ? !!! We were defitely guilt ridden for being human beings because we didn't know that we were NATURAL human beings with NATURAL thougths.

getting carried away so moving on....

#3 is that a JW who called said that there are TWO FLOCKS. Did anyone else catch that JW speaking that one truth about what JWs are taught?

I, when I was a JW, nor any other JW back then would ever say those words (even though we were taught that by our human leaders), to the public/everyone outside of the JW sect!

gonna listen to Friday's now, and thank you SO MUCH once again!

peace,

gwen

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Why Men Cannot Love

by freydi in

jw
friends

so let's say we do everything that's expected.

what's the payoff?

somebody

I'm so very thankful that I have a MAN who not only CAN love, but who DOES.

Filling expectations or expecting "payoffs" if he does, no more enters his mind than not filling expectations and getting no "payoff" does.

He's the walking talking true definition of a MAN, and I love him.

Always have, always will.

So perhaps you should have named your topic "Why SOME men cannot love", because THE FACT is that MEN CAN LOVE.

There are even MEN WHO CAN LOVE WITHOUT EXPECTING PAYOFFS in ANY FORM. And there are SOME MEN who cannot love, period.

peace,

gwen

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Why Men Cannot Love

by freydi in

jw
friends

so let's say we do everything that's expected.

what's the payoff?

somebody

LOL @ erynw!

peace,

somebody/gwen

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Secret Santa Ideas thread

by Angharad in

jw
friends

if everyone who is signed up for the sectret santa can post a few ideas of the sort of thing you like in here, when people receive their names they can come in here and look you up so get some ideas .

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somebody

This is SO much fun! I did my shopping today and absolutely LOVED looking for things I think the person I'm giving to would like. I'm going to send mine out this week.

I tried to get some fun things along with some sentimal items. Things that one can take out every year and remember this year, 2008. Some times adults love thigns they remember having when they we young too! If you have any dollar stores in your neighborhoods, you'll be amazed what you find there for a decent price and things that bring back memories you yourself have of times past ( crazes and fads of the times), that you know the person you are giving to had if he or she is in the same age bracket you are.

I enjoyed shopping today more than I ever remember enjoying shopping, seeing as how I hate shopping ( unless it's a cooking gadget store or grocery store, because I love cooking). Odd for a female I know, but it's the truth!

Just wanted to share with all of you, maybe give some ideas while at the same time, bring this back to the top for those who may not know this thread is here.

Secret Santa is wonderful also for those of us who the "empty nest syndrome" rears it's head every year at this time, making it a somewhat sad time of year. Yeah...I'm one ot those!

peace to you all, my friends...

somebody/gwen...and zev/harold

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Secret Santa Ideas thread

by Angharad in

jw
friends

if everyone who is signed up for the sectret santa can post a few ideas of the sort of thing you like in here, when people receive their names they can come in here and look you up so get some ideas .

.

somebody

What a great idea! I was at a loss on what to get for a special someone!

I like reading books, especailly true crime and crime scene investigations. There are two of Ann Rule's books that i haven't read yet ( I have no problem reading books that have been used or read by someone else either, so second hand is fine! ) The two titles of the books are "No Regrets" and " Smoke, Mirrors, and Murder". Any ONE would be great!

I love candles and potpouri also.

Hope this helps!!!

peace to all,

gwen/somebody

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Otherwise Engaged...

by LittleToe in

just a little breaking news:.

after several years of a great friendship with diane (previously posted as xena) things have started to really come together recently and i've succumbed to making an honest woman of her (or at least as honest as it's possible to make her.

last night (xmas day) i popped the question and she agreed to marry me (i wonder if she knows what she's let herself in for!!!)..

somebody

Congrats to the two of you! And may you become one in the very best way there is for two to become one!

Love and best wishes to you both,

somebody and zev/gwen and harold

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JW child molester, Rick McClean, to be profiled on America's Most Wanted

by SixofNine in

april 15, i believe.. and for anyone who knew rick mcclean, the fbi could really use your help.

(i can get you the proper number, if you pm me).

link to a thread with details on mcclean: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/106553/1.ashx

somebody

I searched the AMW website and see nothing about him on the site.

I'll watch it anyway though.

peace,

somebody/gwen

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I'm engaged!

by somebody in

zev proposed to me today and we are now engaged to be married.. i can't even put into words the condition i and my heart is in except for two words.

joy happiness.

i just wanted to share this moment with you all.. .

somebody

Thanks for the more congrats and well wishes! Harold thanks you all too!

Here are a few more parts to the background of Harold/zev. I'll post my one short bio when I'm finished with zev's 9 part ( zev has alwaqys been a man of few words. This part of his life was an exeption for sure! ) He was going through pure agony, as many here have been through. I thank Simon and Angarad for taking the time and energy for running this board and keeping it going for years, through both good times and happy times. It has given SO MANY of us a place to pour out our hearts just when we needed it the most, and then some. I never ever forget that. ok...I'm getting off track again ( hey..I never said that I was a woman of few words! )

So back on track, here are the links to the background on zev/ MY harold.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/22347/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/22395/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/22481/1.ashx

peace and thank you to all,

somebody/gwen

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I'm engaged!

by somebody in

zev proposed to me today and we are now engaged to be married.. i can't even put into words the condition i and my heart is in except for two words.

joy happiness.

i just wanted to share this moment with you all.. .

somebody

Dismembered, ( nice hat by the way. ) I told zev what you said to tell him.

Here is part one of the story of zev. For those who don't know this, zev and I were pre-engaged to be married back in 1979, but it never happened. It just wasn't the right time for us I guess. but it is now!!! Read here for some background. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/22299/1.ashx

Thank you all again for your well wishes.

peace,

gwen