Posts by jp1692

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Annual Mtg Points

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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matt 28: 19 is the year text.

new understanding on joel ch 2 who are the locusts?.

there is a new building addition to warwick in the works.

jp1692

Yet another revised NWT

What a nothing-burger!

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Absolutely worth seeing - Kevin from Dubtown tells about himself

by fastJehu in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhd-xbj9yoq.

@ kevini love your dubtown videos.

but this video - where you tell something about yourself - is the most valuable of all previous videos.

That's a great piece of advice. Healing and rebuilding our lives after leaving a cult takes both time and effort—there is real work involved in processing the experience of being in and leaving a cult.

But at some point we all need to move on, to become an ex-EX-JW.

That and get busy living the life we have left and making the most of it from from JW dogma and restrictions.

We don't need any labels to define us, no we don't.

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

Ronin,

Thanks for the update.

It’s looking like some local elder went off script and “beyond the things written.”

Let’s review: It’s a cult!

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

Thanks Jonah.

That outline is 12 years old. I wonder if it’s still current or not. Either way, the phrase in question would be said after the last line in that outline, which frankly is kind of weird:

“It is my happy pleasure to introduce to this marriage gathering Brother and Sister _______.”

Nothing like a little spiritual incest, y’all!

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

NZ: Just get a PIMO elder to go online a get a copy of it.

I would if I knew any PIMO elders. But I don’t. That’s why I posted the question here.

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

Biahi: They discuss seriously inappropriate sexual things in the meetings. Can’t wait til someone still attending says a 6 or 7 year old gives a talk on masturbation or oral sex. Lol

I was the Theocratic Ministry School Overseer for 14 years.

Whenever we would have a talk like this I would always either take it myself or assign it to an elder even if the instructions said that particular talk should be assigned to a young person.

Once, on a talk about masturbation, the elder I assigned it to tried to call me on it. The conversation went something like this:

Uber Elder: Why'd you give me this assignment? The instructions said it should be assigned to a youth or newer person.

JP: Yeah, I know, but can you imagine a child talking about masturbation in front of the entire congregation? It'd be embarrassing. Besides, which child in our congregation do you think I should assign it to?

Uber Elder: You should be following "theocratic direction," brother.

JP: Right. I noticed you didn't answer my question. But since you brought it up, the "theocratic direction" for the TMS Overseer in situations like this is that I should use my discretion to assign "sensitive material" like this to a more experienced brother. And I figured you have plenty of experience with this subject.

Uber Elder: What is that supposed to mean?

JP: You know what it means.

He just glared at me.

I laughed and walked away.

He gave the talk.

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

Blondie, quoting the WT: "This might offend or distract some ... [and] those who got a glimpse of such conduct might be stumbled."

We all remember how often the Don't Be Stumbling Others dictum was trotted out by the WTBTS whenever they wanted to control or eliminate a behavior they didn't like. And as much as it seemed like a good idea, it never really worked out that way.

Why not?

In one of his books (sorry, but I don't have the reference handy) Ray Franz observed that the inevitable end result of applying this indiscriminately is that the people with the weakest consciences—those that are the most easily offended—end up being the ones that determine the culture of a congregation.

So instead of having the more mature, balanced people setting the tone and standards of the group, it is set by the least mature and most unbalanced individuals.

Let's review: It's a cult!

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

sir82: "no kissing allowed in the Kingdom Hall! Think of the children!"

That's ironically funny, but very likely true. I've been involved with more than a few "something-seriously-stuck-up-their-collective-patooties BOE" that seem to forget how children are made!

Personally, I've only made two children, but I certainly have enjoyed practicing!

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You May Now Embrace the Bride!

by jp1692 in

just yesterday, a pimi jw that i've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in pennsylvania, usa, the "brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "you may now embrace the bride.

no kissing.

just a hug.

jp1692

Just yesterday, a PIMI JW that I've known for years told me that at the end of a wedding they recently attended in Pennsylvania, USA, the "Brother" that officiated the ceremony concluded by saying to the bride and groom, "You may now embrace the bride." And they did.

No kissing. Just a hug.

AWKWARD!

I've been out of this cult for over a decade, so I don't know much about the latest in JW wedding ceremony protocols or practices. And in many ways I don't really care, but I am curious: Is this a new thing among JWs everywhere, or is it just a local aberration?

Even the PIMI JW that told me about it thought it was weird. (Yes, they actually used the word "weird" to describe how they felt about this.)

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Recently Disfellowshipped

by PersonOfGlitter in

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hi i’m getting disfellowshipped on thursday and was wondering what advice those that have left have for me.

i’m not sure if i still believe or not.

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jp1692

Welcome to the Forum, PoG!

You've a rough road ahead of you, that's for sure.

Not everyone has the same experience, but it isn't easy to be kicked out of an organization that you've invested in emotionally, with your time, maybe your family and possibly even financially.

That being said, you're life will be so much better now that you're out of this cult. And yes: It is a cult.

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