My guess is that Putin will ignore the ruling, but will seek to remain in the ECHR. I'm curious if they will try to remove Russia from the court if it ignores or rejects the ruling.
TonusOH
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BREAKING. European Court rules for Jehovah's Witnesses in long-awaited "extremism" case
by Corney inin 6-1 judgment, the ecthr found that the forced dissolution of jehovah’s witnesses religious organisations in russia, the banning of their religious literature and international website on charges of extremism, the revocation of the permit to distribute religious magazines, the criminal prosecution of individual jehovah’s witnesses, and the confiscation of their property unlawfully interfered with their human rights.
the only dissenting judge is apparently mikhail lobov, who was nominated by the russian government.. .
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
Really? He has been involved in drama at some point or another for much of his time since starting his website. Among exJWs, he's probably the one person you might expect to derail his own life so totally as to get hundreds of pages of comments (and not just here!).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
I'll give him this- he'll never ever be able to look as batshit crazy as Stephen Lett.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
Now that you mention it, I wonder how long it will be before he adds their pictures to the background (and if he will claim that they were always there).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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The thing about Lloyd's comment is what does it matter what a retired lawyer's credentials are?
Based on his comment, it seems as if he's trying to back her into a corner by making this an issue. I agree with Simon, I think he's just looking to get as much info on Kim as he can, in the hopes that he can use it at some point down the road. If she decides not to respond, he is implying that she is lying about her past and is thus not credible.
This is a non-issue because the latest video's content was, yet again, confirmed by Evans himself. His bluster about adding to the litigation is just that- noise. His admission that he accepted her claim that she was a lawyer when it suited his needs is another example of his lack of self-awareness. His statement that "the ramifications are huge" if she is lying is, too. I mean, if a guy can lie to his family for years about his infidelity and sex habits, he "can lie about anything." Right?
And as for "over-sharing"... LOL. He is a nightmare of a client for a lawyer, seeing as he won't shut up. And it looks like he's admitting that his strategy is to file defamation suits that no one will respond to, in the hopes of being granted judgment in default. *facepalm*
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Are Jehovah’s Witnesses softening their view of Faders?
by Darkknight757 inso my in-laws actually went out to dinner with us today.
normally, since leaving in 2016, they wouldn’t eat with us or talk much to me.
(since i did convince their daughter to leave the cult).
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TonusOH
I agree with Gorb, it can be difficult to figure out what they are doing. Sometimes it seems as if they're not sure themselves, but it might be that they are quietly allowing a few trial balloons to see if they can keep more people in by easing the rules on shunning. As others already pointed out, they are getting some pushback from governments on issues like shunning and rejection of blood transfusions. It might be better for them, in the long run, to make changes and conform with that pushback in order to try and keep membership numbers from declining (or declining faster).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
So let me get this straight. He's started a "defamation law suit" on people who have put videos out there and he's not watched them?
I think he is saying that he won't provide specifics in an online comment, but via his legal team through a civil suit. I don't know how much information the plaintiff in a civil suit is required to give to the defendant, but they do need to make their case in court at some point. But -total hypothetical here *cough*- if you don't really have a case, you can string people along with "hints" and threats until they finally realize that you're not actually going to file anything. If the person you're lying to isn't savvy, it can be a very effective intimidation tactic.
Or, if they realize that you can't really do anything to them, they can crank up the mockery to eleven and make you wish you hadn't tried to be so clever. And then the threats and sly comments just make you look like a clown.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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So... his "detractors don't seem to care about [his daughters] at all."
It's cringe-inducing to see how bad he is at damage control. The guy who has probably destroyed his marriage and humiliated his wife by visiting hookers, sexting "women," and "dating" sex workers is concerned that other people aren't worried about his poor daughters. Yes, that's what they'll take away from this when they're old enough to understand- daddy seemed like such a nice man, I sure wish his detractors hadn't kept pulling back the curtain.
"A multi-billion dollar cult has so far failed to silence me"
...neither have your lawyers or PR people, assuming any of them exist. And neither have your remaining supporters, many of whom keep giving you the same advice we were giving you from the start- stop tossing gasoline on the fire, it's just making it worse for you.
It looks like one of his current attempts at misdirection is demanding that Kim prove that she is a retired lawyer. Which would change... what, exactly? Here's an idea, Kim- tell him that you are retired as a lawyer, but are now a professional activist, and it is no one's business what you do with your legal advice.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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TonusOH
On the bright side, there are only so many times he can add you to the litigation.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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If that wasn't Evans, then I'd have to wonder why anyone would think that trying to frame him is a good idea. All it could do is help him, because he could really start to cry persecution. He's been doing a bang-up job of making himself look bad, all by himself. Really, the most effective person at making Lloyd Evans look bad is Lloyd Evans.
I'm curious how he'll respond. If it gets enough attention, I assume he'll tweet about it or make a short video. But if that was him, what can he say? Claim it wasn't him, that it was a setup? That would end badly. That it isn't anyone's business? Something something about airing people's dirty laundry? That it's really an attack on his poor, long-suffering wife and kids? That he's a professional activist, and you're not?
I'm inclined to think that it's him. And if it is, then I'm thinking he might hit that next Patreon level much sooner than I thought...