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Why two witnesses?
by sleepy intwo witnesses.
theres much talk in the jw camp of the need for two witnesses to establish a matter, or prove an event is true or false.
two points.one, this principle is found in the old testemant and in the jewish law.if this point is still to be held exactly then why not the many other laws of the isrealites?
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Dont worry, being wrong is normal.
by sleepy in.
a lot of us here are probably a bit gutted that we got things so wrong, with believing all that witness stuff.it may have humbled us somewhat and made us think more deeply about things before jumping in the deepend.. but you are not alone in being wrong.in fact having wrong beliefs and ideas on the world and life etc is an entierly normal feature of humanity.through out history most people have lived their lives in complete or partial ignorance as to the workings of this world, but due to the brains nead to have a structure and pattern to think by, have believed wrong things.the earth is flat, mice grow from rags, a shock can to a mother causes deformities in babies, amongst countless others.. even today in our "enligthened "world there is no concensus among all humanity regarding what is right.there are millions of catholics, hindus and people of other relgions.there are many theories as to say the workings of the mind or the origin of life.no one knows the answer to every thing.all we can do is try to learn as much as we can , and to be balanced and reasonable about what we believe , chosing maybe to not be so dogmatic on issues that we cant really know the answer to.. all humans believe wrong thing , sometimes in quite a major way, but we have had the oppurtunity to learn that no matter how strongly we believe something to be true, it may not be.
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If Ray Fanz had never.....?
by sleepy inif ray fanz had never left the watchtower and written his book would you be here now?.
if not, is that worrying for you?
how many here worked out it was not the truth alone without the aid of a specific book and how many needed franz's work or someone elses?.
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Fred Franz, still alive and running the show.
by sleepy infred franz, still alive and running the show.
how so?no he's not been ressurected and taken to heaven to direct gods affairs on earth.but it is his bible that forms the basis for what witnesses believe and teach.
many people point to franz as the sole author of the new world translation (with help from others) he decided how "gods inspired word" should read to people today.what is truth and what is false in the witness mind is all down to fred franz.
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The watchtower, just part of mans evolution?
by sleepy inheres something i have been thinking about.are religious beliefs and the cults they spawn, just part of mans growing understanding of the universe and in fact stages that man needed to go throught in order to progress in understanding?
i hope you understand that.
maybe human brains ,due to individual cirumstance and experience and genetic makeup reach many different conclutions about life and the universe and try to live by them.only beliefs and ways of life that are close to reality will be successful and lead to happy fuffilled lives , others will be filltered out with time untill mankind reaches a general consensus on what is the best way to live and most logical to believe.
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A bit of a mess
by sleepy inhi,i just came back from visiting some relatives in the south of france yesturday.
it seams though that my wife has got us into a bit of an akward situation.she hasn't told any of her family in france that i no longer believe in the religion of jehovahs witnesses.in fact they all think i am a ministerial servent in the congregation at home.
i don't speak much french, and didn't know untill recently that she hadn't told anyone we don't go to meetings etc.shes afraid her mum and grandmother will have a big shock if they find out , or at worse she will disinherited from quite a substantial amount of money.
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what has most influence on JW's?
by sleepy inwhat or who , do you believe has the most influence on how jw's lead their lives?.
is it the watchtower mags, meetings, circuit overseers , governing body,peers,or something else?.
i was trying to think about what most influenced me and i think it is the group pressure we recieve in the org that pushes us most to do things.
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Were you ashamed of being a witness?
by sleepy inwere you ashamed of being a witness?.
how did you feel about identifing yourself as a jehovahs witness to others?.
i often used to hide it because of the stigma attacthed to it.. was anyone actually proud to be one?
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What should governments do ....?
by sleepy in.
what should governments do in order to protect its people from religious cults?.
do you think the governments of this world are doing enought, it seams that democracies are too soft on crazy religions.france is the only one that is being tought at the moment.. only dictators and the like seam to be jumping on the witnesses.. maybe religions should be made to report to governments on a regular basis with a account of their activities , also an independent organisation could be used to investigate how religions and such things are run , and whether they are benifiting or harming the country.. but do religions like the jehovahs witnesses matter enought to be a concern to them?.
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Why the watchtower will fall.
by sleepy inbecause every thing made by jehovahs witnesses is so shoddily made its bound to collapse.
our kingdom hall was falling apart all the time.
thats what happens when you use the untrained witness slaves to build everything in order to save money.they build a pile of crap.edited by - sleepy on 16 june 2002 7:7:51.