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  This may be my last post…so goodbye and thanks

  by seven006 in

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  i never thought i would do one of those infamous goodbye i cant take this board anymore posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot.

  when i had enough of this board and needed a little break i would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed.

  that is not the case this time.

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  seven006

  I’m about the same except I haven’t fallen down in two days and my left eye doesn’t know what my right eye is doing. I need remyelination.
  
  http://www.myelin.org/
  
  http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=48498646
  
  
  The bigger type doesn’t help but thanks for trying.
  
  Dave
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  A Message for Dave/Seven006

  by wanderlustguy in

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  i had this all typed out in a pm but after i thought about it, it's more fun to piss the guy off by saying crap like this in public...if you guys have never read his topics, you are missing out!.

  dave,.

  i'm sure you have plenty of messages, etc, but here's one more.

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  James-woods
  
  It was and is black. My oldest son has it now. He has always wanted it. To me, it’s just a car.
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  A Message for Dave/Seven006

  by wanderlustguy in

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  i had this all typed out in a pm but after i thought about it, it's more fun to piss the guy off by saying crap like this in public...if you guys have never read his topics, you are missing out!.

  dave,.

  i'm sure you have plenty of messages, etc, but here's one more.

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  Donnie,
  
  Well f**k you very much. You do crack me up my friend, that is one of the reasons I picked you to take my place as the bullshit cutting, thought provoking, sarcastic in-your-face, cynical bastard with a big heart once I leave. I think you will understand that statement.
  
  You’re making me do another post with one eye open to be able to see half way straight and having to go back and correct every other word because I hit the wrong key on my keyboard (I could have used this in High school to explain some of my missing homework assignments). Loosing my vision is just one of the many advantages to this little disorder I have as it hunts down my bodies nervous system and kills it. Loosing my vision would have been one hell of a lot more advantageous in my life 30 years ago. That way I might have chosen women for who they were instead of how they looked. Bad for me but good for my kids I guess. They are good looking boys.
  
  I was planning on writing an individual thank you messages to everyone that made a comment on my exit post but it kept growing and growing along with the PM’s. You people do love your sad stories. 8 pages for Christ sakes! Don’t you people ever watch TV? If my vision ever clears up I will still write the thank you’s. If it doesn’t I hope you all understand.
  
  Back to Donnie, I told you a long time ago you had it in you to figure the things out that I have. You also have the heart, intelligence, kindness, compassion, and depth of character to cut through the bullshit and clearly explain it to others who MIGHT want to hear it. I also asked you how far you wanted to take it. It takes a lot of time, doesn’t have a fairytale ending and you may loose a few friends along the way. When and if you do figure it out just remember, it’s a lot more gratifying to make a good friend, then it is to make a good point. The good points will always have their place and time. This place has a lot of people who need friends and a lot of good people who can be one. You are right, it isn’t you, it is them…a long history of thems. Think about that and try to put it into perspective when you are trying to help. Helping others is the best way to get yourself back. I told you that when you went from asking for help to giving it. You made it over the first hump.
  
  What I have figured out isn’t all that hard to see. If you read as much as you can about ancient history (religions, silk highway trade routs, Emperor Constantine, Confucius, Krishna, Buddha ,etc) from an unbiased perspective and learn as much as you can about human psychology and group dynamics you will have a good “big picture” about why people do and think the way they do. People don’t change, they really never have. Just look at the Middle East and parts of Asia.
  
  Adam and Eve, Mohammad, Jesus, Dionysus, Ra, Leah and Han Solo, talking snakes, burning bushes, and Jedi light sabers, we all need our stories to help fill in the blanks of our existence. Start with “the Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell and just go from there. An intelligent open mind is an extremely powerful tool. How you choose to use it is up to you.
  
  Take care my friend and knock this shit off! Reading and responding with one eye closed gives me one hell of a headache.
  
  
  Dave
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  This may be my last post…so goodbye and thanks

  by seven006 in

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  i never thought i would do one of those infamous goodbye i cant take this board anymore posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot.

  when i had enough of this board and needed a little break i would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed.

  that is not the case this time.

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  Boy, is this a great way to pick up chicks or what?
  
  I took a long nap after I posted this because keeping one eye closed for a couple of hours when I type gives me one hell of a headache. I guess that ends my dreams of going to sniper school. George Bush can breath easy now.
  
  You are all incredible people and I would love to have all the women here send me nude photos of yourself but I’m getting a headache again so hold off on that for a bit. I will try to write thank-yous to each and evry one of you but I can’t right now. Same goes for those who have sent me PM’s.
  
  I talked to Brenda C. last week about how to sign up for SSI because this was getting a lot worse. I called them today and they were very nice and said I should be accepted easely. I made a tun of money in the 80’s and damn it, I want some of that SS money back before Bush decided to invade EuroDisney and the money is all gone.
  
  I’m trying to keep my sense of humor up but you damn people are choking me up a bit. I need to go close my eyes again but if I can, I want to thank each and evry one of you for your comments with a PM. It may take me a wile but I will try and do it.
  
  Go Seahawks!!!
  
  Dave
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  This may be my last post…so goodbye and thanks

  by seven006 in

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  i never thought i would do one of those infamous goodbye i cant take this board anymore posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot.

  when i had enough of this board and needed a little break i would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed.

  that is not the case this time.

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  seven006

  I never thought I would do one of those infamous “goodbye I can’t take this board anymore” posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot. When I had enough of this board and needed a little break I would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed. That is not the case this time.
  
  My health is going quickly and I can’t deal with spending three to four hours to write out a simple post. I wasn’t so bad when I lost the feeling in my hands, I could still type and still do my work and digital art. I just had to look at those flesh colored pointy things sticking out at the end of my arms and watch as they pushed the keys down on my keyboard. My eyes took over for my sense of feeling. It wasn’t overly difficult to figure out.
  
  Now my eyes are going. This MS is a real bitch. I have had double vision problems before but it always went away after a while. This time it’s not going away. I have to close one eye to see straight or to do anything and it’s still not in great focus.
  
  I have been walking around like I am drunk for the past couple of years and have been able to deal with it. I fall down and bounce off of walls all the time (it’s kind of funny if you see it but it’s a bit embarrassing for me). I was able to try and control it enough to function and could still work ( I am a master at hiding things, I learned it as JW kid growing up). Now when I walk around the feeling of being drunk is still there but added to that everything around me looks as if I am seeing it in a dream. People pay good money for street drugs that can make you feel this way and I’m getting it for free.
  
  Basically my mind is going and I need to face it. I could deal with my body going, it’s had a good life, but I can’t deal with my mind going. I mean, I’m in there but my brain has quit give out the right information to my body so it can still function. Now I know how Stephen Hawking must feel. Somebody’s home, but they just can’t answer the door.
  
  Soooooooooo, before I get to the point where I won’t be able to say goodbye, I’ll do it now while I can still see my keyboard with one good eye and type with two good fingers… well at least they still “look” good.
  
  This board and the people here have been a big part of my life for the past six or so years. I joined it after my last relationship ended to a beautiful, intelligent but very neurotic and psychologically messed up exJW woman who I loved very much. You people here helped me realize that we are all a little neurotic and that’s OK. You have also helped me realize that I shouldn’t pick on the Christians so much (even though it was fun to do sometimes) some of them are damn good people. I needed that and I thank you all for it.
  
  I don’t know how much longer I’ll last. Maybe a few months maybe a few years. I just knew I needed to say thank you to you all and I will miss you before I couldn’t type or read anymore. If things clear up heath wise (it’s not probable but ya never know) I’ll slip in and say hi or take one more good shot at a fanatical fundie or try to give a little advice to a “just out” lost JW (I have always liked doing that the most on this board and I hope maybe something I said may have helped a person or two).
  
  Don’t feel bad for me, I don’t. I have always said no matter how bad things may look or get there are always a lot of people who have had it, and still have it, a hell of a lot worse then I did or do.
  
  
  Be nice to each other, because outside of our little community, nobody else really gives a shit.
  
  Take care all and goodbye.
  
  Dave
  
  “ It’s not my fault…..I was raised in a cult.
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  Fear of the gods

  by Narkissos in

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  let me start with the questionable, unprovable, yet common premise that the gods in general were born out of human fear.. if we look for the closest match to our word "religion" in the hebrew bible, the best candidate, interestingly, will be "fear of (the) god(s)".

  "service" to the gods will denote the religious practice, but the basic religious attitude is fear.

  no matter how politically correct translations water it down into respect, reverence etc.

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  Nark,
  
  I think you are right on target. Just to add a little along with fear is also ignorance and the need to feel secure.
  
  If you look at history and the almost total lack of understanding of things like science, physics and human psychology back then you end up with the mystical and then mythical components of religion that people still believe today. Virgin births, walking on water, zoo ships, the sun revolving around the earth and numerous other myths that were accepted as truth back then as well as today due to lack of understanding of what we know better now.
  
  These myths and gods were then talked about, interwoven into other individuals own specific gods and myths then embellished on around the camp fires of the traveling merchants of the time then brought back to their own communities and marveled at. It was the traveling merchants of the time that met at the hub cities in the Middle East, exchanged their goods as well as their stories about their gods and their mystical powers to be feared. Then they were brought back news as well as these god stories to educate their own people about what was going on in other parts of the world. They were the CNN of the ancient world and believed as much as we believe the CNN news we see today.
  
  This is how we have so many similarities intertwined in all the more popular religions. The flood, virgin births, walking on water, feeding disciples with a few fish and a loaf of bread etc. You can go to other religions and see very similar to almost exact myths that were told about their super human gods and recorded for history way before the Christian or Muslim religions existed and claimed those mystical stories as their own.
  
  People back then could not dispute these myths because they did not have the knowledge we have today that shows them for what they are, myths. People back then didn’t understand things like earthquakes, floods and lightening so they made up these stories about these all-powerful gods and their wrath to explain them.
  
  Natural phenomenon, death, and human wars brought the fear.
  
  Telling them about their miracle working gods that would save them from the next one brought about their feeling of security.
  
  Ignorance and lack of knowledge about science, physics and human psychology made them accept these myths as fact.
  
  Mix it all together and we get religion.
  
  Dave
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  JW husband destroyed my life

  by Chimene in

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  oh my goodness, could i tell you some things..... i could write a book.

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  Scrubmaster,
  
  
  You are as entitled to your own opinion as the next poster on this board but my comments were made according to my experience both in and out of the cult. As most here have experience, what the JW’s are encouraged to do and what is actually accepted is usually two different things.
  
  
  I think the macho war like mentality of their mythical god slitters down into the flock of mindless sheep. Some men took it to the extreme and others were more human about it.
  
  
  I’m sure I am not the only one here who has experienced what I observed. You may be the exception, If so, I’m happy for you.
  
  
  Dave
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  Suggestions Please

  by nonjwalltheway in

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  my wife and i have been married for over 10 years and we have three sons.

  she grew up in a jw family.

  he sisters, brother, mother, aunts, uncles and other extended family are mostly jw.

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  I have one. Go out and pick some wild flowers (if there are any around where you live in the middle of winter) or buy her some tiny little ones. No big flowers like she just won a horse race or it’s your anniversary, just some pretty little ones. I know this sounds stupid because you’re a guy and that is how we think but believe me, it might help.
  
  Then tell her you love her and you want to work this out. Write her a few pages about how you feel about her and the religion but make it as non-confrontational as possible. Then ask her to do the same. Saying something is one thing, writing it out is another. If she puts her thoughts down in writing and reads what she is saying she may take a deeper look at it.
  
  Do that back and forth until you can start to make some sense to her. Verbal arguing will get you nowhere. It is what JW’s were taught to do. If you can get anywhere with that, then you might get her to read some things on the Internet. It’s just one technique in deprogramming the programming. It helps you approach her on her tender side and not her programmed side.
  
  Dave
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  JW husband destroyed my life

  by Chimene in

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  post 1 of 1. since 30-jan-06.

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  oh my goodness, could i tell you some things..... i could write a book.

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  Chimene,
  
  Trust me, I spent a lot of years being a jerk even after I left the JW’s and before I figured it out. Using your child to get back at your ex-spouse is not exclusive to the JW’s but it does seem to be more common with them then other groups. Just wait until he starts telling her you are going to die at Armageddon because you don’t love Jehovah anymore. That’s a classic one.
  
  You can run into a burning school house and save twenty children and he will still find fault in your actions. It’s called ignorance and it is openly bred in the JW community.
  
  My ex-wife did the same thing to me, it’s just part of the package. Don’t do it back. Kids are very intuitive and a lot smarter than we think. They will begin to see by each of your actions who is the wiser, kinder parent. My three sons are all out of the religion and want nothing to do with it and their JW mothers actions and how she treated them as well as myself are a big factor in that. It is very hard but you just need to be patient. The end of the world is not right around the corner as they would like you to believe and have been saying and giving dates for it over and over again.
  
  As far as the money thing goes, there is only so much you can do about it. Settle what you can and move on. I lost everything once and I’m doing just fine. You just need to readjust your priorities.
  
  Read Lady Lees “best of” series and there may be things in there that might help you figure some things out in this confusing time. I know it doesn’t look like it right now but things will get better. Your soon to be ex-husband doesn’t see it now but he will soon understand the saying “you don’t know what you got ‘till it’s gone.
  
  Take care and hang in there.
  
  Dave
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  JW husband destroyed my life

  by Chimene in

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  post 1 of 1. since 30-jan-06.

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  oh my goodness, could i tell you some things..... i could write a book.

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  Chimene,
  
  Your life doesn’t look destroyed to me. You can still think and your ability to come here and express your thoughts seems to be well intact. You may be damaged a little but you seem to still be able to function. The good part of life is still to come.
  
  You’re soon to be ex-husband sounds like a real jerk. A lot of us exJW men were also real jerks when we were JW’s. We were products of the JW cult mentality as well as our own uneducated and unfeeling stupidity. A lot of us look back on our lives with complete shame and utter astonishment thinking how in the world could we have been so stupid and blind. I know I have.
  
  The good thing is a lot of us have figured it out and have accepted our stupidity for what it was and where it came from. We realize the watchtower publications did not have all the answers as they said they did and the watchtowers definition of a man and a husband was fashioned after the whims old 19th century power and control freaks that looked at women as possessions and just one slight level above a slave.
  
  Don’t think of yourself as a fool but rather someone who has been fooled. You are not the only one, we were all fooled. There are some incredible women on this board who are very intelligent, understanding, and know exactly how you feel. Listen to them. Let them help you figure it out without becoming bitter or thinking your life has been destroyed or is over.
  
  There is a whole big world out there of intelligent thought provoking information about life and how it should really be looked at for you to discover. The real facts of life and how things really are has been and will always be as tiny as a microbe when it comes to the JW version of it. That is why they don’t want you to know about it or read things that explain it out side of their tiny little close minded interpretation of life.
  
  Just open your mind and learn. Your life is not over nor has it been destroyed, it has just begun.
  
  Dave