Uzzah was great at justifying his reasons for going against policy. Or at least we have to assume he was, because God killed him for his disobedience before he could explain his actions...
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24Answer to: Why do JW's come here against WT policy
by GodRules inbelieve it or not the motives are love, at least in my case.
i know that sometimes jw's on this board do not show that, but it goes the same with some ex-jw's too.. am i going against wt counsel?
yes, but i am willing to pay the price to help my fellow man, specially if i see that they blinded by resentment and are going contrary to jehovah's will.. why does the wt give the counsel to stay away from site such as this?
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Seeker
DannyBear,
Now that we are in the light of morning, and feelings have calmned down, would you like to continue our discussion? I am puzzled at your hostility toward me. After my 2nd response to you, I heard nothing back other than continued slights and slurs made in a general direction, not necessarily at me. Do you still feel toward me as you said last night, or were those comments made in the heat of emotion?
I ask this because I disagree with your characterization of me. If I have been acting the way you claim, and I don't realize it, I want to stop. If I haven't been acting the way you claim, and you now admit it, I want to put this behind us.
As someone who has never used foul language toward another poster, and who is uneducated and without letters, and who repeatedly makes the statement that we are all entitled to our opinions, I would like to resolve this conflict between us calmly, rationally, and finally.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Seeker
Hi Dino,
Hello Seeker, Just curious if you could give some erudite reasoning as to why you do not believe that Russell had at least some type of masonic leanings. It seems that you always say you are in the camp that Russell was not a mason, without giving a reason that I have seen, while giving others condescending counsel about their right to an opinion on the matter. I'm not trying to be inflammatory, once again, just curious. Thats why I enjoy other's posts, because they give a thought provoking response. Please dont take offense, there is no need to patronize, but I would really, sincerely be interested in your viewpoint. Dino
I won't patronize you, for I'm not that way. Don't believe what DannyBear is saying about me.
I also have never given counsel (condescending or otherwise) about anyone's right to have an opinion on any matter. In fact, I repeatedly make the point that we all the right to our opinions. So although you aren't trying to be inflammatory, your words are such for they falsely accuse me.
The problem with slander is people read it and start to think there is some truth in the matter. I'm not interested in participating in the process. The matter of Russell being a mason has come up every few weeks the entire time I've been on the Net, and that is going on for almost half-a-decade now. I'm no expert on the matter, but I have read all the Illuminati stuff, and the masonic stuff, and I've yet to see anything that shows conclusively that Russell was himself a mason. I personally couldn't care less if he was or he wasn't, but I won't go along with the crowd just to please them when they insist he had to be one.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Seeker
Oops, left off this part of your reply:
No one has appointed you to the job,of correcting error and overseeing, what anyone, ANYONE get it, has to say.
Nor have I taken on that role. This is a public discussion forum. I'm discussing my opinions publicly, as are you.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Seeker
What's the matter to hard for you to adress me directly by name? Unable to even write a salutation?
Why the hostility? I did address you directly by name, but even if I hadn't, would that have justified such a hostile response for something so trivial?
Tiresome? I suspect it is finally getting through some pretty thick headed, self promoting, intellectual wanabe's...that people are getting sick and tired of being, talked down to, dismissed, or otherwise just pooh-poohed, for not following the direction of the self centered elitist crowd, that just has to come to the aid, rescue, or correct the thinking of anyone who dare say or refer to anthing not passing muster with the ELITE.
That's not what's happening. The people you are slamming have been providing evidence and facts for their point of view for years, ad naseum. Yet there are always newbies that come along with these amazing suppositions that get offended when we publicly point out that we don't think it holds water. You can believe what you want, but you need facts around here or you will be called on it.
Iam glad you are getting tired of it Seeker. Why don't you stop your condecending, smarmy posts, like those demonstrated on this very thread. You have adopted a style, based on some of your cyber-buddy associations....maybe the bible was right in this statement "bad associations spoil useful habits".
I haven't. Show me specific examples of what you claim.
No one has appointed you to the job,of correcting error and overseeing, what anyone, ANYONE get it, has to say.
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GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS
by You Know ingood news/bad news.
first, the good news: the good news, at least as far as the watchtower's multitudinous enemies are concerned, is that the watchtower's days are definitely numbered.
the bad news, as far as apostates should be concerned, is that the days for this present system, as we know it, are also of equally short duration.
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Seeker
You Know: If the current economic catastrophe turns out to be nothing more than following the laws of economics, will you confess to uttering a false prophecy, in saying that it was a direct lead-in to Armageddon?
He once said that if the end hadn't come by a certain date, which at our most generous could be absolutely no later than Jan. 1, 2001, he would quit the JWs and join Procrastinator's Anonymous. When we called him on this earlier this year he replied he was merely kidding. He wasn't kidding at the time, but to cover his tracks he lied. He will lie again and again as one prediction after another fails.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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Seeker
You also nailed it when you question why certain, so-called thinker's and literary critics, take it upon themselves to pass judgement, about what is relevant or credible,
DannyBear, I dislike your anti-intellectualism. If you disagree, disagree. No need to resort to insults and name-calling.
I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Russell was a Mason. Yet I also know that he was clearly familiar with Masonry, and probably borrowed some things. Yet without any proof of Russell being an actual Mason (and no, the stuff that's been posted is not proof), I stick with facts, not conjecture.
Now if you wish to call this "so-called thinking", you are welcome. But you do not have all the answers, so to denigrate those who disagree with you is tiresome.
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(TEST) Are You A Free Thinker ???
by Big Jim in12. i cringe when i hear any sentence that begins with the words "life is...".
21-25 points - you're probably okay.
if you don't care that i really admire you, give yourself 5 bonus points.
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Seeker
Your test is invalid. You cannot equate matters of taste with free thinking. For instance, you only get a point on your test if you liked the movie "Ishtar." Clearly you are equating a difference of opinion from that of critics as being "free thinking." That's fine and good in the abstract, but not necessarily in the specific. If you always follow what every critic says, you are, indeed, a sheep. If you did or did not like "Ishtar", it says absolutely nothing about your thinking ability, merely your taste.
You can't measure taste, and thus your test is flawed.
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Did 60 Minutes do a show on Jehovahs' Witnesses?
by Preston ini read a statement in the watchtower that 60 minutes did a report on jehovah's witnesses.
does anyone know about this?
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The early 90s 60 Minutes piece I recall had to do with child-custody hearings, and how the WTS would provide legal counsel free of charge to JWs in their attempts to get custody away from their worldly ex-spouses.
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"Still don't believe in a "NewWorldOr...
by sf in"charles t. russell military illuminati" is what yielded this search result (for those i know who are requesting these results):.
< http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html.
i guess kissinger was drunk too when he said what he said.
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Seeker
Thank you, Free, for that kind explanation. I do understand where you are coming from, and I'm basically in agreement, believe it or not.
Every time skally posts those things with enthusiasm, she makes my job harder in convincing JWs that there is a better way. Skally is certainly able to do what she wants, but I wanted to express my opinion so she would know the impact of her actions on others.
Also, I know her a little from many months (years?) of fellow posting, and I feel bad that she doesn't appear to have the discernment she could have, a discernment that would enable her to know gold from garbage. As a friend, I wish that for her. If I was too harsh in my approach, it was caused by my frustration at seeing this stuff yet again, and not because of anything personal toward skally.