Posts by seawolf

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A Message for SADDAM !!!

by JH in

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seawolf

haha funny! Going to send this one to a few people!

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Quit smoking crack...the USA is not a bully!

by dolphman in

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what are hippies smoking these days?

let me explain a few things to everyone:

let's chew on this first: what if america wasn't the world's only superpower?

seawolf

True True True! Amazing how they got alot of computer, satalite, and nuclear tech when Clinton was around. Im sure it had nothing to do with his favorite Chinese fundraiser (who is now in jail). F- Clinton. Good old Clinton- a draft dodging communist sellout.

Agreed.

Also, don't forget about all the US weapons technology that Israel has sold to China. Patriot missles, Phoenix air-to-air missles, Lavi fighter, etc. I'm surprised the US intervened to stop the AWACS sale to China.

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Quit smoking crack...the USA is not a bully!

by dolphman in

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friends

what are hippies smoking these days?

let me explain a few things to everyone:

let's chew on this first: what if america wasn't the world's only superpower?

seawolf

hehe my last statement said:

I'm not saying anything about whether this was right or wrong. Just simply saying it happened and so is it any wonder that Saddam was making it difficult for the inspectors to do their work?

You spent most of your response in stating we were right to spy on him and it was a good thing. I was going to state (in my last post) that I'm not interested in the ethics of spying on him and it being right or wrong since I don't see what that had to do with this? Some of the UN inspectors were spies, and Saddam restricted their movement and hindered them from doing their job. As a result of some of them being spies, and Saddam hindering their work, they were withdrawn. Like Blix said, they were too closely associated with intelligence and western states so this messed it all up and ruined it. If there were no spies there, would the inspectors still be there now instead of being gone for four years? Who knows!

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Quit smoking crack...the USA is not a bully!

by dolphman in

jw
friends

what are hippies smoking these days?

let me explain a few things to everyone:

let's chew on this first: what if america wasn't the world's only superpower?

seawolf

You said that saddam kicked out the inspectors. From what I can see they were pulled out. kicked out != pulled out. Why are the papers now saying that Saddam kicked them out when four years ago they were saying they were pulled out? Which is it? You then tell me to put down the crack pipe and make some sense? Am I missing something here?

So what exactly are you trying to say then?

Not trying to say anything other than what I posted? However, if you want to get more into detail, ok. Some of the UN inspectors were spies working for the west

When he and Bush "demand" the return of the UN inspectors to Iraq, what they they omit to say is that the inspectors were never thrown out by Iraq, but ordered out by the UN after it was discovered they were being used as a cover for American spying.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12148547&method=full&siteid=50143

When United Nations inspectors last scoured Iraq for weapons of mass destruction in 1998, the CIA and its sister spy services were rarely far away.

Undercover U.S. agents working with the U.N. teams secretly planted a high-tech "black box" device in Baghdad that year to eavesdrop on Saddam Hussein's phone calls, among other Iraqi communications, former inspectors say. The signals then were encrypted in other U.N. data and transmitted via satellite to the National Security Agency headquarters at Ft. Meade, Md.

Other operatives helped the U.N. team track Iraqi officials abroad. In one case, they planted hidden cameras and microphones in the hotel room of an Iraqi scientist trying to buy banned missile parts in Romania and then sneaked into his room at night to photograph the contents of his briefcase.

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-usiraq23oct23,0,4477844.story

United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix says he cannot rule out the presence of spies in his team due to resume work in Iraq - adding that any intelligence agents will be ordered off the group.

Mr Blix acknowledged that charges of spying had undermined the work of the previous UN inspection regime, known as Unscom.

"Unscom lost its legitimacy by being too closely associated with intelligence and with Western states," he added.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484569.stm

Seems to me Mr Blix sums it all up himself in that last quote of his. If they lost their legitimacy then there wasn't much sense for them even being there anymore.

I'm not saying anything about whether this was right or wrong. Just simply saying it happened and so is it any wonder that Saddam was making it difficult for the inspectors to do their work?

Edited by - seawolf on 3 January 2003 16:30:48

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Quit smoking crack...the USA is not a bully!

by dolphman in

jw
friends

what are hippies smoking these days?

let me explain a few things to everyone:

let's chew on this first: what if america wasn't the world's only superpower?

seawolf

dolphman,

SADDAM KICKED THEM OUT. I wonder why?

Actually, Richard Butler pulled them out.

A CNN article from 1998:

Butler late Tuesday ordered UNSCOM staff out of Baghdad. The entire staff was evacuated before dawn on Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/16/iraq.strike/

BBC from 2002:

It is four years since the inspectors - then known as Unscom - were pulled out of the country, complaining that the Iraqi Government was preventing them carrying out their work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2268256.stm

And here's an article on how the media has changed from "pulled out" in 1998 to "kicked out" in 2002:

http://www.fair.org/extra/0210/inspectors.html

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Is the USA a bully?

by Robdar in

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i was watching the news last night.

the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

seawolf

I just came across this article today and thought I'd post it here since it deals with this subject:

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=2bdedd56-4092-438f-bcf9-43104c7de7c1

Although almost half of those surveyed agree the United States, as the world's sole superpower, has a responsibility to intervene in the affairs of other countries to protect global security, almost seven in 10 believe the U.S. is "starting to act like a bully with the rest of the world."

If this was an article on what the people of Tanzania think it wouldn't be very interesting, but it being on Canada, I thought it might be an interesting read.

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Favorite Movie Quotes

by meadow77 in

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i have tons of them, favorite movie quotes that is.

a misspent youth i guess, but i love movies.

i was watching one of my favorites the other day,seven.

seawolf

Elwood Blues: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark...and we're wearing sunglasses.

Joliet Jake Blues: Hit it.

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Is the USA a bully?

by Robdar in

jw
friends

i was watching the news last night.

the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

seawolf

Roski,

One or two resposes have mentioned the South Koreans. At present there is quite strong anti-American feeling there. Taxi drivers refusing to pick up foreigners, resteraunts and shops with signs saying 'no Americans". Some acts of persoanl violence, (rape, knife attack, etc). The new president is said to be more anti-American than the former. Much of the ill feeling is long standing and a result of the behaviour of US military personel. This is not the official line, just the feeling on the street.

Yes. A LOT of this stems from a 50 ton US armored vehicle running over and killing two 14 year-old schoolgirls in South Korea in June 2002. The two men were tried in a US military court and acquitted in November 2002. As you might have guessed, this didn't set too well with the people of South Korea.

Shim Mi-sun and Shin Hyo-son were walking to a friend's birthday party when they were crushed to death by a US armoured vehicle which was taking part in a training exercise in Kyonggi province, on the outskirts of Seoul.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2494145.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2178156.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2487737.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2497947.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2517739.stm

this issue came out to be a very large part of the latest elections there:

Hahm Sung-deuk, director of the Korea Presidential Studies Institute, said the issue had become a key factor in the election.

"This issue became critical issue in presidential campaigning. People thought the current presidential candidate of the Grand National Party, Lee Hoi-chang, is too close to the United States," he said.
"In contrast, the presidential candidate, Roh Moo-hyun, of the New Millennium Party, is a little bit independent from the United States. So this issue may give an edge to the presidential candidate, Roh Moo-hyun," Mr Hahm said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2562297.stm

There have been several very large demonstrations there in December:

About 50,000 South Koreans have rallied in the capital Seoul in protest over the deaths of two teenage girls killed by US servicemen in a road accident.
Several thousand riot police prevented the protesters from marching on the US embassy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2575381.stm

regarding the protest above, the kfor article below says 300,000 people. I must say from the footage on tv it sure looked a lot more than 50,000.....

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=1049575

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2618119.stm

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Is the USA a bully?

by Robdar in

jw
friends

i was watching the news last night.

the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

seawolf

Want to close my posts to this thread by welcoming 'aojumper' to the fray of this conversation and thanking him/her for being willing to jump into such a topic as a 'newbie'(something I was unable to do). Hope you continue to post your opinions. It's not so much about being right or wrong(IMHO), but being able to express you opinion(without the threat of expulsion) here that is so great.

Agreed.

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Is the USA a bully?

by Robdar in

jw
friends

i was watching the news last night.

the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

seawolf

Lilacs,

If that is true, they might as well have done it themselves. Sending them to someone else to be tortured is even worse IMHO.

The off-limits patch of ground at Bagram is one of a number of secret overseas detention centres where US due process does not apply. Another is Diego Garcia, an island in the Indian Ocean that the US leases from Britain.
In other cases, usually involving lower-level captives, the CIA hands them to foreign intelligence services, notably those of Jordan, Egypt and Morocco, with a list of questions the agency wants answered.
These "extraordinary renditions" are done without resort to legal process and usually involve countries with security services known for using brutal means.
According to one official who has been directly involved in transferring captives the understanding is: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/26/1040511135568.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,865311,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2607629.stm

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/12/us1227.htm

http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,866168,00.html

In a related topic, (if the below is happening at Guantanamo, is it happening with the people being sent to Egypt, Morocco, etc?) the problem with this is that innocent people are turned in and have no business being there in the first place:

Dozens of the detainees are Afghan and Pakistani nationals described in classified intelligence reports as farmers, taxi drivers, cobblers and laborers. Some were low-level fighters conscripted by the Taliban in the weeks before the collapse of the ruling Afghan regime.

None of the 59 met U.S. screening criteria for determining which prisoners should be sent to Guantanamo Bay, military sources said. But all were transferred anyway, sources said, for reasons that continue to baffle and frustrate intelligence officers nearly a year after the first group of detainees arrived at the facility.
"There are a lot of guilty [people] in there," said one officer, "but there's a lot of farmers in there too."

Others were grabbed by Pakistani soldiers patrolling the Afghan border who collected bounties for prisoners, sources said. One such prisoner was captured at a restaurant near the border where he claimed to have lived and worked for 20 years.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-gitmo22dec22011424,0,4293848.story

http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/13848/1.html

So innocent people were turned in by Pakistani soldiers for $$$$, were turned in by the afghans in an effort to prove themselves to the americans, etc...

"We're basically condemning these guys to long-term imprisonment," said a military official who was a senior interrogator at Guantanamo Bay.

"If they weren't terrorists before, they certainly could be now."