a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.
i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.
he brought up this juicy source:.
Math. 19: 28 " you, (the 12 apostles) will sit upon 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. "
The 12 tribes of Israel, out of which the Apostles, and the multiple of their number came, are the large pool, great crowd . The 144 000 are the few rulers of the many. The number is limited, literal, not indefinite.
a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.
i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.
he brought up this juicy source:.
It is a literal number with symbolism. see
a) the tribe of Joseph, new at this point, rewarded for being whistleblowers. like us. and contrasted with
b) the the undetermined number of the members in each tribe, and
c) the in innumerable Great Crowd ,
nasa plans return to moon by 2020
"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.
i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.
Elon Musk, using his " unrighteous riches " is now selling, reserving suits, for his around the moon Starship trips. a spacious spacecraft, 9 meters diameter, many window seats hopefully, probably full berth. Great use of his gains. but,
working on the leaking problems, like with all infants projects, diapers, tape not a solution. and,
the take off blast will also have a huge kickback, current problem, how not to damage the launchpad and the delicate spacecraft, even in only tests. .
For the nerds: The Moon and Earth are actually wheeling around each other. try the formula for both:
( Vo : Vr ) x R ~384 000 km
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
speculations, what ifs ?, about a tale for which there is no evidence.
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
the way it reads : the arguments are not based on evidence but on conclusions. --- drawn from?
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
What's all the disagreement about?
How genetic splicing turned one of the imperfect ova (existing since soon after Mary's conception) into a perfect fetus.
Excellent post, Thomas. More from the doubter please, you covered many angles, facets of the story.
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
the argument is based on conclusions not evidence.
Fisherman, you nailed it. Conclusions without evidence. wow. or
as stated in another classic collection:
"Much ado about nothing"
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
related to Jesus and probably looked like him
so, appearance not according tp the art work, but according to prophecy: he was to be not an attractive man.
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection
There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection. It is miraculous , like all the other fables recounted in scripture. the alchemist turning water into wine, walking on water without a surfboard, feeding 5 k with food for 5. going to heaven without a sky hook. emptying a cemetery and have the denizen walk intoJerusalem.
Imagine the mechanics of that. Halloween here we come.
Treating the bible as a science fiction story, does not make it science but leaves the fiction.
The OP asks to bolster fiction with science.
according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.
mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.
and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.
What is being discussed here is how is that possible.
Fisherman, You are limiting the scope of the discussion. The OP asks for a real life solution, if possible, to a fictional setup in the literary master piece, the Bible. Doing so would create an aura, inject a sense of reality, into the whole made up talking snake story. Why not turn the problem around, and question the proposed situation on the basis of reality? After all,
The second, super Adam did not outperform the original in any way, except words, and even those are suspect, having been written ~40+ years after the " fact".
