wt says that others, in ours, the last days (names withheld to protect the innocent), will not be found either, disposed off by angels, like the remains of Jesus.
Posts by waton
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24ENOCH & the Watchtower Society
by Honesty ingenesis 5.
5 so all the days of adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.
8 so all the days of seth amounted to nine hundred and twelve years and he died.
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1995 generation change
by Gorb innow, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
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waton
still, the great crowd can not be the generation, or overlapping groups of the approved sheep in math 25, who supported Jesus' brothers, and as a reward go off into everlasting life .
why?
jesus said that the generation that sees the terrible end, worse than the deluge, will pass away after the end.!!!
You dont just pass away if you have already entered everlasting life, like the [other] sheep. ergo:
by definition: The last generation are neither the anointed nor the other sheep, and
it certainly did not have to overlap prior to 70 CE.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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waton
Since the lifeblood is so central to the sin/atonement idea of religionists,
In the bible story, how did the vegetarians in the pre-flood area like Abel procure the needed sacrificial " choice fatty pieces "? were they just raiding the heaps of dead animals? even cats and dogs did not eat that meat.
Think about the flood, in the ark, one pair each, except 7 of the clean, herbivores all. good, imagine 9 month worth of dog, cat, lion, tiger foods. and the pile of results of their digestion. May be they had a walk on loo grating overhanging the deck.( not shown in pictures), precursor to the pegs for the millions in the desert.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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waton
f: JW believe that and personally conclude that on their own.
very few JWs would come to the wt beliefs on their own, they are led carefully into the trap of controlled thinking. It is a circular argument to try to will the truth onto a matter by the delusion of so many. and dont counter with wt's "mental picture" explanation. no high mountain required, can be done in the basement.
coming back to the OP. the "Flood"
Jesus, the son of David, endorsed that event, by making it a parallel to the coming end. As a co-creator of the Universe and its laws and a carpenter, he must have known, that a small family business, using bronze age tool, could not possibly have constructed a vessel this size, Able to carry that full load, withstand for 9 month the immense stresses of rain and currents that swirled, rose at 10 meter an hour for 40 days.
It was time to set the record straight, not dignify a fable with the mantle of scriptural truth, absolute, unquestionable facts. ditto
The Messiah's conversation with Satan, the flat earth advocate, showing all the Earth's mighty kingdoms, far away. on a clear day, from a high mountain. It was time to give satan (and bible readers) a lesson in spherical geometry, dispel the error, the adversary's
false promise based on a fallacious premise. so,
yes wt, like some bible writers will equate their pronouncements with the word coming from god, them being that god, always at the disadvantage of the duped.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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waton
f: whether it is fact or fiction.
fair enough, there are aspects to these bible stories that appear to be embellishments. but when discussed as fact, can be seen as the parallel of wt methods, where actions of the leaders are always attributed to , or rendered to the deity, rather than the earthwhile actors.
"jehovah" forgave David, how do we know that? "jehovah" supported the wt, how do we know that.
look at the spectacular accomplishments of the rest of humanity. often done without free labour and tax free status.
substitute " the name " with governing body, wt inc. sounds great.
in Davids case substitute "the holy name" with "the army". sound plausible, barring credible divine testimony for it now.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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waton
f:
God who forgave David and allowed Jesus to be tortured and murdered— not the Watchtower.
Accept the fact that theses are stories written by the victors. How can a repeat offender, having the blood (and foreskins) of 10s of thousands on his hands be the shining hero. might makes right.
that is the point: wt claims to be in the same league as that offensive, probably fictional character.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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waton
the opportunity to repent and avoid a death sentence
tOH, there was no relief through repentance under the law, as Paul pointed out.
it was the might of the army that shielded the kingly adulterer, murderer. and now wt favoured.***
he lived to kill tens of thousand more innocents, big mistake. cleans the earth right away.
*** they can argue, if the sins of david, (putting the ark on a cart) and all, can be forgiven, they, wt are forgiven too, as future kings. no matter what they do. -
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Governing Body NOT going to heaven!
by BoogerMan inthe jw memorial takes place in 5 weeks time, and kh meetings resume on april 1st.. the worldwide campaign for spectators will kick off soon, so here are 3 questions to help jw's see the org's myth that their g.b.
is going to be amongst a crowd of 144,001 melchizedek king/priests in heaven.. 1) a ransom only buys back what has been lost, so what exactly did adam lose?.
2) how can jesus' ransom correspond with what adam lost, if it buys back far more than what was lost?.
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waton
the other pink elephant in the room is of course, that the wt governing body is of the anointed wt generation* of 1914, that will pass away to heaven at the onset of the great tribulation. even before the attack on the churches, and the end at Armageddon.
That of course will not happen if Jesus is right. He said the generation will pass away after all that has happened, after all. ( most early Christians did indeed survived the destruction of Jerusalem, the first and only fulfillment) so far.
* and btw the original, first century generation did not require an overlap.
so, who will be right, Jesus or wt? and
Jesus said, eat and drink all of you. (all present were not anointed btw)
so, who will be right, Jesus or wt?
clarification asked for.
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Governing Body NOT going to heaven!
by BoogerMan inthe jw memorial takes place in 5 weeks time, and kh meetings resume on april 1st.. the worldwide campaign for spectators will kick off soon, so here are 3 questions to help jw's see the org's myth that their g.b.
is going to be amongst a crowd of 144,001 melchizedek king/priests in heaven.. 1) a ransom only buys back what has been lost, so what exactly did adam lose?.
2) how can jesus' ransom correspond with what adam lost, if it buys back far more than what was lost?.
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waton
wt [forgotten] position is : By virtue of the ransom, the "anointed" have the right to life on earth (like Jesus, the "second Adam"). Jesus gave up his right to live forever on Earth.
Like Jesus, the "anointed" sacrifice that right too, in order to go to heaven. The real question then is:
If that is so, why are those that do not want to give up that perfect life, not allowed to partake of the ransom emblems too, in the first place? no nibble, no never dying, so,
wt's look only wine passing does not allow "true christians" to even get to first base. out of luck.
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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?
by Kosonen inthere has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.
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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.
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waton
The destruction of Jerusalem as described in the 3 Gospels 2000 years ago is not superstitious nonsense.
f: yes, but the second fulfillment of wt interpretations do not fit. surely a creator that can fine tune natural law constants to 6 decimal places can make sure that "his" predictions or that in "his" book, or "his" spokesman, jw.org/wt inc are accurate?