mormons baptize the dead, even non members. do they count them as active?
Posts by waton
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48JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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waton
if true, the numbers suggest the wt inc will never give up the relentless preaching, and 'buller brush' type training sessions aka "service meetings, midweek worship"
LDS members have only 2 years of service misery, for wt workers it is unrelenting, eternal.
factoid re workers:
wt has it opposite to bees. In the colony, the drones, workers, are the males, the queen fertile.
wt has a mostly female bumble bee "army" scouring the world for the harvest, the heads, 8, mostly infertile, or non-reproducing males.
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Is the door to door preaching work not the primary focus anymore?
by pistolpete ina few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.
this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.
co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .
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waton
They start very slowly making small implications of change-
pp : and gaslighting the hapless "domestics" in the process. example in your quotation:
"The irresistible conclusion therefore is that Jesus referred to the new creation [the anointed] when he said: This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled. This then would be a strong indication that some members of the new creation will be on the earth at the time of Armageddon." Watchtower 1927 Feb 15 p.62 bold added.
pp: Jesus words really mean that armageddon will have passed, be over, when the wt anointed should die. The tribulation will be a greater disaster then the Flood, mentioned in the context, , and it will have passed be history, so Armageddon is part of the tribulation! .so:
the current wt doctrine, preached, via letter, phone or h2h, is a false prophecy, the generation will not die at the onset of the tribulation, but after.
in other words, the second fulfillment idea is totally wrong. because of the above and
can not be the wicked generation, they die at armageddon
can not be The "great crowd of Other Sheep" because they will never "pass away".
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Is the door to door preaching work not the primary focus anymore?
by pistolpete ina few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.
this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.
co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .
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waton
it is an army made up of largely women, disobeying the "Lord's command" mentioned in verse 37 of 1 Cro, 14. , the rest of that chapter
.If the 'no time requirement for pioneers' is true, ( instead of the 100, 150 h/p/m of the past,) it is a setup for establishing a female hierarchie, leadership in the congregation. the battle is on.
The service demonstration on zoom have been featuring the same 2 texts for what must be 6 month now.
1)satan is the ruler of the world, 2) the deity can not be tempted by evil. how boring can you get?
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What JWs don't know they believe
by StephaneLaliberte inin a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.
the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.
the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.
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waton
How does that wake up anyone? Nothing wrong with those teachings. R 350:
as you lead a simpleton witness along in the reasoning: the sealed 144k come out of the 12 tribes, and the 12 tribes must be the "Israel of God " in the new covenant for forgiveness of sins, it will dawn on them, that
all of them,like Israel should partake of the emblems to get the right to everlasting life. John 6, all (of israel) ate of the manna, not just the priests and Judeans, future kings.
Jesus fed the bread to people not anointed, with an earthly hope. (Act 1:7)
there is plenty wrong with those teachings, and exposing the emptiness of wt doctrines, ,one point, one step at a time, is a great method.
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What JWs don't know they believe
by StephaneLaliberte inin a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.
the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.
the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.
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waton
spiritual Israel is not the earthly class. The earthly class is the spiritual gentiles.
R: Wt wrote, (dont have the reference) that the 12 tribes of israel, are all those, that are not of the 144 000. Math. 18:29: " you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel"
Rev. 7: [12] x " 12 000 sealed out of the tribe of Joseph"The 12 tribes are not the 144 000, the 12 are obviously are a bigger entity. the wt "earthly class"
Is the Israel of God is made up of 12 tribes?
Congratulations: You coined a new phrase: "spiritual gentiles" if the term was in the bible, would we call them "the gentiles of god"?
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between Jehovah God and the anointed Christians numbering 144,000. No argument there.
R: yes there is, because 1) the new covenant is for forgiveness of sins, and not the kingdom, 2) the old covenant was for with all of Israel, not just the line of David or the Levites. the new covenant follows that pattern. so:
stir the nest by saying: The earthly class are the 12 tribes of Israel.
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What JWs don't know they believe
by StephaneLaliberte inin a post this morning, i suggested that a way to wake up fellow congregants is to plainly comment or make talks on teachings and rules the jws don't really know too well.
the idea is that you can say these things, other jws will be bothered by the comments, but will not be able to do anything about it as this is the official teaching or stand on this or that.
the key here is that when troubling rules and teachings are thought in the watchtower, they generally use wording that makes them go down easy.
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waton
the 12 tribes of the "israel of god" aka 'spiritual Israel' is the earthly class.
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Have JEHOVAH ever supported WARS between his WORSHIPPERS?
by Longlivetherenegades injehovah's witnesses used to state other christian denominations go to war and in fact that their religious leaders bless such wars.
they see this as one reason why all other christian denominations are not true christians since they kill one another at war and therefore they don't love one another as stated by jesus in john 13: 34,35.. for example when a roman catholic go to war, he/she is bound to kill a fellow roman catholic in the cause of the war.
therefore roman catholic can't be true christians since its member don't love one another and kill one another at war and as such god cannot be in support of such wars where his worshippers kill one another.. the question that comes for consideration is, has jehovah ever supported wars between his own worshippers?.
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waton
These men wanted to kill me. “
Then he adds” So they raped my concubine to death.” ( But he never says outright that he shoved her into their arms)swtte: yeah, like "righteous" Lot, who tried the same 'using his daughters as a human shield' ploy , trying to hand them over to the potential abusers.
In other words, where is the purity loving creator when we need him. making all the wt comments about j-based protection empty promises.
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waton
it most likely meant those faithfully serving as ministers/preachers teaching within individual congregations of Christianity,
DJ: that understanding comes close to what wt taught in old light, about the "slave" being christians as a class, or when they acted as teachers. (while at the time maintaining an absolute monopoly on the pulpit)
I thought it was an encouragement to do all kinds of good deeds, not only "spiritually", as is of course in the order to do humanitarian works in the parable of the sheep and goats, allways, not just in the "end times" btw.
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YHWH's Magnificent Killing Machine
by fulltimestudent inthe remains of what may be one of the largest pterosaur's yet found have been discovered in outback queensland.
the palaeontologists that have been examining the discovery describe it as having been a fearsome beast, with a spear -like mouth and a 7 metre wingspan.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/dragon-like-pterosaur-outback-queensland-identified-named/100361038.
for more on australian dinosaurs see this video (also included in the above news story).. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6dquboi_qi&t=36s.
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waton
u''uw: all humans have been feeding on other life all their life, killing it in the process. justice would demand that you submit to the same fate.
Individually, or as as a family, "death [is] the last enemy", but in the overall scheme, the universe permits many to share life for a time. timeshare.