Posts by waton

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Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

by smiddy3 in

for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

waton

it could not be the anointed, because they will have to pass away, early upwardly to be in time in heaven to train and then fight at Armageddon.the most important feature of the "all"

to drive home that point, today's wt "study" had a picture*** of the early resurrected remnant swinging oversized metal ball rods to smash the nations, babies and all.

The anointed could not possibly be the generation that passes away from earth after they do that. split personalities perhaps?

Even if Armageddon comes as late as 2075, as David Splane indicated, the anointed have to be gone before the Great Tribulation starts. today's wt proves that.

*** see the thread " watch the Governing Body " by nbd.

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Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

by smiddy3 in

for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

waton

My favourite: (Job 42:16) “After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his grandchildren - four generations.” 140 divided by 4 = 35.

s3: It is interesting to note, that among the "partakers" the anointed heavies, the Brooklyn core, such a family idea of generation is absent.

Perhaps it is for this estrangement that they have chosen to make the generation of 1914 "the generation of the Anointed ones".

All these groups live concurrently anyway, and wt had the choice to pick 1) the general population, the condemned world, to die at Armageddon,

2) the [other] sheep that will never die

3) themselves, the partakers, who will join Jesus in heaven early before the GT to fight. now

Jesus said that "this generation will not pass away until all these things have occurred". so

it could not be the sheep, because they will never pass away.

it could not be the anointed, because they will have to pass away, early upwardly to be in time in heaven to train and then fight at Armageddon.the most important feature of the "all"

A nun just died r.i.p. who was 10 years old in 1914. having no overlapping descendants either.

the overlapping group fix is the least of wt's doctrinal problems.

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Pioneers, Elder's Wives most self righteous. Etc.

by Overrated in

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as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?

who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.

and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.

waton

. well, the book of Revelation, supposed to be relevant now, in the lord's day since 1914, predicted in the letters to the 7 congregations, that the jezebel influence will be alive and well, dominant in more than 14 % of the congregations.

prent in the rest too, but not tolerated

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New Light on Sheep and Goats?

by notsurewheretogo in

lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

any info on this?.

waton

eNow they (in particular Kenneth Cook) are saying that Jesus will deliver the judgment at the Great Tribulation, but that he will do so on the basis of evidence and consideration of actions leading up to the Great Tribulation

R: clearly said. and in a way wt taught that before this debate too. because:

The overlapping generation of anointed (Christ's brothers) will be gone to heaven at the onset of the Great tribulation. There they are out of reach to the benevolence of the [other] sheep, or the mistreatment by the goats. so:

how could they be be judged on actions during the GT?

A real new light would be to see how wt writers correct their error, of asserting that the overlapping anointed generation will pass away to heaven that soon, at the beginning of the GT. when

Jesus is said to have said that this generation will not pass away until all these end time things, like the greater than Deluge - scale destruction aka Armageddon occur.?

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New Light on Sheep and Goats?

by notsurewheretogo in

lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

any info on this?.

waton

sbf: right, The teaching is that once the great tribulation starts, and the GB and buddies are gone to heaven, the door of the ark will be shut. last minute, deathbed regrets will not matter.

The judgement will be based on what you did, while it mattered. It still depends whether you "took " the magazines, now, googled jworg.

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New Light on Sheep and Goats?

by notsurewheretogo in

lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

any info on this?.

waton

These truth, or newest light wt preaches is so ironclad in their eyes, , that they are willing to disfellowship (turning over to Satan for destruction) anyone that teaches otherwise, contradicts. so,

if salvation and damnation is so closely linked to current teaching,

every change in prophetic teaching brands, confirms wt as false prophets.

If you are ready to kill for your vacillating predictions, no matter what they are,

why do you think you will not have the same judgement?

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Do We Get A Clean Slate When We Die? (Watchtower View Examined)

by Sea Breeze in

the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.

waton

If I know watchtower they’ll say “it means until all these types (anti types?🤣)of things have occurred, not literally all !!!

Ds: yeah, they might try to say that because we have them over the barrel (not in the g

barrel like you) with that flat contradiction of the great teacher, the greatest man that ever lived himself.

The greatest type/ antitype hype in that prophecy is of course Jesus comparing the end (of the wt 1914 generation} to the great deluge, Noah's day.

It is not that "all the sign" only has to occur during the life of the generation, but an event even greater than the deluge, and that in destructive power will not occur again, aka Armageddon. That is the " all " Jesus was talking about. No wriggle room here. easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

PS: and why did all the babies have to pay the price for the lecherous angels, that did not die, did not pay for their sexual sins, and were able go on to kill all those pigs, those swine.

drowing, is not a nice way to die. have a barrel handy to float.

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New Light on Sheep and Goats?

by notsurewheretogo in

lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?

it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.

any info on this?.

waton

It seems they are now flip-flopping back to that separation work happening now

nswtg: since wt now teaches, that the Governing Body plus all anointed will go to heaven before Jesus sits down -- on his judgement throne. -- (and then mounts the stallion)

They can not stand the thought that they (as Christ's brothers, the focus of the goats neglect), will miss out on [over]seeing, organizing that action.

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Do We Get A Clean Slate When We Die? (Watchtower View Examined)

by Sea Breeze in

the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.

waton

DW, although that is not the point of my post, I'm curious, what is the current proposal on the 144K ?

SB: Peter, Paul & Mary were resurrected in 1918 , once heaven was cleansed.

The current "anointed" partakers, the generation of 1914 will rise to their reward in heaven at the start of the coming Great Tribulation. leaving the "sheep and goats" behind. These sealed "anointed" have to be in heaven to participate as immortal warriors in the killing of Armageddon, which is the end of this system, when "all these things have occurred".

Unbelievably, wt here contradicts "Jesus" who emphatically stated, that this generation (of wt's anointed of 1914) will n-o-t pass away until all these things have occurred,

the other wt gem is, that the remnant of the 144 000 is the generation that generously overlaps in at least 2 groups. as David Splane's remarks show:

2 centenarians overlapping by 20 years: 2x100 = 200 - 40 = 160 years +1914 = 2074

one year to 1975 + 100. not just a proposal, a prophecy by wtbts. inc.

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Looking For WT Quote

by Sea Breeze in

does anyone have 1945 wt 8/15/45 p. 253i'm looking for confirmation of where the wt reportedly states that jehovah is only jw's "prospective" father.

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waton

How many covenants do you believe are in the NT?

SB: the wt/ bible world has only a passing interest for me, I do not "believe" it has importance. so, I do not want even to go through my concordance to refresh my memory. I remember though, that even the kingdom covenant (promise to rule over the "12 tribes of israel" , was not only pronounced after the last supper, but also at an earlier occasion.

The new, forgiveness covenant in John to

you tell us please. for those that are interested.