lawsuits against the WT for abuse of power, child abuse negligence, and mental abuse from destroyed families due to frivolous violations of non-scriptural rules.
SB: have not heard of these
Posts by waton
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45Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week
by Sea Breeze inwell known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..
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waton
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How Could We Have Been So Heartless?
by BluesBrother ini am addressing here those who, like me, spent decades in the organisation that we called “the truth”.
perhaps like me you were brought up in it from an early age.
looking back now i wonder that i could have been so heartless as to believe that the mass slaughter of billions of people was “good news”.
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waton
The name of the deity implies that he will become who ever he has to. and the followers made in his image. so: imagine
imagine what it does to a mind, to have to memories all the gory details of billions of beings that you promised to resurrect, recreate in the first and general resurrection.
perhaps you can spare yourself some sick details, since all the resurrected will not marry have reproductive powers.
but given that the creator has given free reign to see what will succeed, viruses even,
what is the big s deal that all die, in the wt story, all at once.
Taught my daughter a rhyme: If they say "you will not die. it's a lie.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
The end will come....the outset of the Great Tribulation....Armageddon....the beginning of the end....last days
See how difficult it is to separate which one they want you to understand? Because they really don't want you to know which.OTWO: you are right, that is why it is good to get that idea analyzed.
The anointed generation is wrong, long before it starts group overlapping
The 33 and 1914 generations are the normal people perishing, passing away, period. proof:
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Expectation vs Reality
by joey jojo in.
just wanted to put this out there for any lurkers.. as someone that grew up during the 70s and 80s, we were promised that we would be in the first picture long ago.
if you are still on the fence, please let this sink in for a while..
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waton
when Armageddon and the New System was supposed to happen from the year 1914.
s3: why do you say "when", it all was supposed to happen in 1914. Rapture and all.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
rank-and-file partakers seem to have the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) goal of smearing them as posers and/or mentally unstable.I wonder why?
V: If they read their bible, they should know that all should partake, regardless of origin or destiny.
2) The count in the spring equinox thing, shows that their claim "we, the exclusive truth bearer, our meetings prove that " is proven wrong by the count, if the memorial of all meetings is wrong, therefore the anointed generation taught there is wrong.
remember, wt started the OS dont partake deal, in the 1930, ~ 90 years ago, because there were too many partakers. Now, we have again too many partakers. may be
They should re-invent the secondary heavenly class, then the "everlasting life on earth" idea, when it is bound to fail, will not be held against them as false prophets.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
Guarantee they’ll have enough in offshore accounts to have to do that OTWO. Grenada here we come!!
Ds: The move from Warwick to Grenada or the Isle of Wight , from near New Jersey to Jersey would be easy, but
The wt doctrine calls for all anointed sealed partakers to be called to their heavenly reward at the outset of the Great Tribulation, not just the Governing Body, so:
how about the other 14 000? dispersed everywhere, not of the Governing Body? whose' bodies the angels also will have to dispose, off, like -- puff--gone--. and among these might be the real wt victims, with a vow of poverty.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
Why explain that someone who died just a few hours before Joseph was born would not be considered as overlapping, which I assume draws the conclusion that someone who died just a few minutes after Joseph’s birth would be viewed as a contemporary, and then omit to represent that statement on the chart?
GG: They just defined the borders of "lived at the same time" during both birth and death nothing is registered, remembered at those times. and the "other , older, distant anointed " remark on the chart shows that no direct passing of the baton, conferring of secrets, or "passing the "Elijah to Elisha mantle" is involved? remember that old chest nut?so.
when you think about it the two group anointed generation is an old idea ("the 2 prophet classes" warmed over again.
Splane was not talking precision time in our time, he covered centenarians with possibly 20 years overlaps. with bapti in the first groupsm marking th anointing of the later partakers. All partook after all!.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
so to sum up, if you want to debate me, the phantom wt apologist, you have to know what you are up against.
Wt uses 'generation' and 'contemporaries' interchangeably
Their proof text: Exodus 1 : "Joseph and that 'generation' (of contemporaries)
His closest family, his brothers were produced by the ladies in his fathers harem in 10 years ( a very short generation ) *, but some of Joseph's contemporaries lived 110, 120, 145 years. Plenty of time to stretch that overlap into hundreds of years.
The key example of anointed faithful is F Franz died in 1992, ~99 years old, served since 1914, 78 years in bethel. 21 years excluded from overlap time. because it's outside the time of THE generation. David Splane opined that older, longer serving anointed are out there. so,
let us round up those ages: 100 years lifespan, , 20 minimum years at age of anointing (like Franz) Add that 80 years to 1994, that gives you 1974 as the outer dated for the " anointed "going to their heavenly award", the anointed generation to pass away.
That is near the start of the Great Tribulation. and after that rapture, the anointed in heaven will have to be ready by 2075 to ride as immortal warriors into the battle of Armageddon.
My position as wt defender is secure until another 25*, 75. 75 date. so
what is this with squabbling over "soon"." last days" ???,-- see my overlapping wt apologist after 2075, 55 years from now, only then will the numbers l have run out. again. (2 solar eclipses in 2075 bsw, timed to the second, if you are interested in true prophecies)
* Wt predicted the resurrection of the "faithful men of old " Princes" for 1925. a close fit to the 10 year generation batch of brothers.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
they are saying the two groups are one big overlapping generation, and the end will come before the second group passes away
OTWO, No, they are not saying that any more. That was the story when the generation was the general population, destined to be killed at Armageddon,whereas (Millions of Other Sheep will never die). These days, according to Splane, and wt article,
The generation of partakers will pass away, when they are finished overlapping, at the outset of the Great Tribulation, long before all the Things have occurred.
Even Jesus stands corrected.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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waton
Why do they ignore all the other anointed who were alive in 1914 and only focus on Franz in the chart in the video?
GG For wt weiters, any pre -1914 characters are an embarrassment, and not even part of their 1919 F&DS. Forward overlap is bad enough, why add the backflip overlap too?
Splane only named F.Franz, but said other older ones may exist. and
did I mention in defence of wt, that the contemporaries in Joseph's generation lived to 145, 110, 120 years old, just like some people today????? so
dont despair, that would bring the last group of the comtemporary generation well into the 22 century.
I hope you noticed my tongue firmly planted in cheek, hoping for a long lived generation for all.