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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  144K is a random number

  he might have been insecure, senile, high on whatever, but he was persistent:

  gave it 3 times, twice in numbers, once as a multiple of 12, x12x10^3.

  so, to debunk it, use it.

  
  
  
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  "--if they died of natural causes in the first century they were believed to have sinned--" bold added for emphasis

  Since 1914, the generation, here are not many WT "anointed"(none of the prominent ones) that did not die of natural causes. They all did.

  Only the victims of the Nazi executions, mostly by the "fall axe", we know of, but how many of them took the emblems? where Christians?
  
  
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  
  

  Since the WTS Great Crowd members only began to be called in 1918, the total number of faithful Christians over 1900 years was under 150,000.
  "For 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with Jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his Son to make up the Kingdom government." (The Watchtower February 15, 1982, p. 30)
  "For some 19 centuries after this there was only one calling, the heavenly one. It was an undeserved kindness that God bestowed on a limited number --

  If you, Van der Hofen are still in the hof, defend the wt doctrine, then

  Can you, as you must, see the problem for wt here? That consigns millions if not billions of people that considered themselves "Christian", "anointed", to be of the un-anointed wt earthly class, the other sheep that already died, that do not come out of, survive the Great Tribulation. so:

  Wt has an extended 2 group systems:

  1) for the anointed generation a) Those that died since 1914 and b), the now living overlappers:

  2) a) for all the anointed that died since Stephen and were resurrected in 1918 and b) the ones that die now to wait for the marriage of the lamb after the GT.

  3) a) for the other sheep, those that live after 1918 (millions will never die) and those b) that lived before,

  4) a) the generation of other sheep since 1914 that are dead and will be resurrected ( wt hopes) and b) those that will never die. (every JW hopes, but does not really believe yet)

  5) a) the OS that survive the GT, and b) those that will be born in the New World.

  6) a) those OS that will make it through the final test and those b) that will see Gehenna

  7) For those of the Other Sheep that survive Armageddon and a) are/or will be married in the NW, and those that b) are not married, because they are resurrected.

  7. Those that are a) princes, princesses and those b) that are just subjects, sheep.

  Divide and conquer. con period.
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  shouldn't you know which tribe you belong to, --?

  That is another point. According to watchtower, the 12 tribes are all the humans with an Earthly Destiny*, the 144 000 are sealed out of them (of course, where else would they come from). but:

  The sealing Angels are not telling. who are in the distinctive tribes, nor who gets the seal. (only his/ her hairdresser knows for sure).so,

  Since the city with the gates will descended from heaven, it is obviously to let the earthly tribes in. (The city are [already] the 144 000, the bride) so:

  * ALL JWs, should know by now what tribe they belong too. evidently the angels do, and they rank lower than the GB The anointed in Paul's day used to knows things that the angels longed to peer into.! Angels are not peers to the anointed?; really?!?! it really does not add up!.

  Try those facts on your favoured elder, couched, framed in the right question.
  
  
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  
  So who in Jehovah's organization are the 12,000 of Ephraim, and the 12,000 of Manasseh?. If you're the 144,000, shouldn't you know which tribe you belong to, so that you know which gate of Jerusalem to enter.

  Well, many here would qualify for the Tribe of Joseph, because they are

  1) whistle blowers, like him, of what really goes on in the 10 tribes, aka da org.

  2) ostracized, expelled by the 10 tribes, aka da brotherhood because of saying the truth

  3) possibly framed by false accusations, by jezebel influence perhaps.

  4) given a chance by media, Simon here, and bigger worldly players,-- to set things straight, publicly, in other words: feeding the truth about the truth to those that come (to Egypt, the worldly source) for taat

  If you miss to be in Joseph, you still can make Manasseh. (Double reward for whistleblowers) assured.

  You do not even have to be sealed out of them, just being in there is good enough.

  These are the ones that are not in, but out of that starving* gang.

  * do not classify the current programs as mental/spiritual food.
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  The idea that by counting the ones that take full communion you determine who will be ruling the universe, no, the multiverse, all creation, --is the heights of arrogance or ignorance, or both.
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  waton

  The idea that any "seats" are left for JWs to fill, let alone so many, is the height of arrogance.

  bold added for emphasis
  
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  God and even nature are against all practices of mind control

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  most of the people with skin problems have something in common.

  they feel their individuality is being threatened somehow and others have power over them as though they are feeling thin-skinned or things as tending to get under their skin.

  it is under the skin that our nerves function, and skin is the largest sense-organ which is like a blanket over the whole body, hence is a symbol of protection.

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  waton

  https://youtu.be/goYnjP-ghRk

  there is this song: "I got you under my skin". Frank Sinatra a too.
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  Overlapping Generations

  by JRK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.

  it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.

  she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.

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  waton

  End of..
  And it should have been End of the religion.

  You are so right, but the current details still merit debunking to show how deep wt is in doctrinal free fall. or mired ever deeper in the mire of their own making. You got to admire their brazen disregard for the sheep though, who they keep for fleecing and slaughter.
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  Overlapping Generations

  by JRK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.

  it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.

  she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.

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  waton

  
  

  Jack Barr died December 4, 2010.

  Ordinary wt anointed overlappers are not barred from the generation, even if they are not of the GB.

  Although David Splane gave Fred Franz's as an age example , he admitted there would be older ordinary anointed, both in the 1914 group and the overlapping little flock.

  Taking him by his word, from 1992, the year of Franz's departure, or later, there would be more than 80 years after that.so,

  Not only is the dual group generation a brazen redefining of the terms, looking at the age of the players involved, stretches it on and on. Besides,

  The generation can not be the anointed, nor the other sheep.