sbf: Saw a science piece last night ( cant find it now, ), that shows original forest's intertwined roots, and explained how trees talk to each other. I actually believe that plants experience internally a kind of euphoria, of well being, as the procreate, exhale oxygen, but to bring that down the line into the inorganic level is too much of a stretch.
Posts by waton
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142Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future
by slimboyfat inat one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.
this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.
what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).
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The Noble Fir
by Oubliette inthe noble fir.
the fir tree stands silently in the corner of our living room: proud, erect, strong.
even unadorned, it is beautiful.
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waton
To bring up Prologos' comment, some of the spruce/fir trees, hundreds of years old, still stir hearts as soundboards in violins, pianos.
which can not be said for the ones that were ground to pup to end up in big rolls in wt printeries.
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Bible is good if we look for implied truth
by venus inthumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.
but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.
similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.
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waton
It is not that there is no absolute truth in the bible, with ~ 50 000 verses, just by trial and error there has to be some correct observations.
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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future
by slimboyfat inat one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.
this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.
what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).
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waton
Sbf: I am a deist, and believe matter, energy and their structure and the laws they work with, were given at the moment of creation, in other words they are on auto pilot. To elevate that propensity of any entity to do the right thing does not require it to be "aware".
You called it a "Philosophie " fine, let Sophia sing, but proposing it as a scientific theory is a different matter. making a prediction for example, at what point would aware matter like my rock collection feel and react to prodding?
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question of the day if Jesus on earth today and assuming he was a jw
by poopie inwould he be disfelowshipped for talking to df persons?.
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waton
He would be surfing champion of the world, surfing on mini waves with his bare feet, or 1 ft boards. (normal size 5-10 feet). wavehights > 2 feet, spaced > seconds apart. not to be seen on small lakes)
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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future
by slimboyfat inat one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.
this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.
what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).
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waton
just because some questions can be formulated and stacked in sequence does not bestow merit to most of them.
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question of the day if Jesus on earth today and assuming he was a jw
by poopie inwould he be disfelowshipped for talking to df persons?.
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waton
He spoke to a woman at a well in a secluded area alone with no chaperone,
a worldly lady, and then, abandoning his special pioneer partners, moved in with her (in-to her city) for 1 1/2 days, possibly 2 nights.
and he was also a trained carpenter...Zep:
now, the lowest paid of all the trades. moronic for a perfect human. strange, he never used one of the many situations in that skill in his teaching. Woodworking, powered only by arm & hand, it is agony not only long ago.
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Bible is good if we look for implied truth
by venus inthumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.
but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.
similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.
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waton
lessons from Red Riding Hood : do not talk to the animals, same for the snake story.
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question of the day if Jesus on earth today and assuming he was a jw
by poopie inwould he be disfelowshipped for talking to df persons?.
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waton
He would not be considered an example for the young brothers, hounded to be immersed at 9, because HE entered the service, delayed his dedication and baptism to his 30's year, although being able to call on all resources in the Universe, he gave only 10% of his life time.
Wow! must have been good to be perfect and free! 90% of your time!
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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future
by slimboyfat inat one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.
this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.
what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).
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waton
It would be very tempting to give matter the status of divinity, if one considers any created substance as the now un-dead trailings of a superior being.
two magnets display an uncanny ability to attract or repell, even through some substances. They seem to be "aware" of each other. This goes down to the smallest fundamental particles. so,
are inert, "noble" substances like Helium, Gold less conscious because they react with difficulty, but explosives more alert?
Ascribing a quasi divinity to all matter might prompt us to deal with respect, gratitude even, with all we manipulate, -good-, but ascribing conscious too it all, would that not be the ultimate idolatry, misplaced reaction?
"ascribing", because there is silch scientific experimental evident for it, to my knowledge.