If the biographical Jesus, walking on water, resurrecting 12 year old young ladies by laying on top of them is real, it is only a small step to extend the fantasy into the distant past. He must have been watching while the snake talked, water lapped over Mt Everest, Satan showed him all the kingdoms on a flat Earth. The near eternal, invisible part is easy.
Posts by waton
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40Did Jesus pre exist? Yes or no?
by UnshackleTheChains inwhen i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?
by unsure indo i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
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if a certain religion is true, why is it not like gravity described above?
unsure: gravity is always attractive, but many members here have found aspects of the WTBTS inc setup really repulsive
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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal
by OrphanCrow inthe supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
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Coincidence: 7 earthquakes 7.4 in Russia today. Fisherman
bible inspired writing style seems still to be with us today, Russian News had one quake, in the Pacific off Kamchatka Peninsula, on the 17st. now, to make that a biblical seven for vengeance, add 6, unless you count the seven in 17,
One slip like that can sink your credibility, but then, fishermen are known for their "fish' stories, the big ones that got away. Zeal, wishful thinking, carried you away?
ps: appeals to European human rights courts coming perhaps, now more quakes ? or quacks?
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Where is the proof?
by stuckinarut2 inwe all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.
according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).
other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.
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And the claim that they have "love amongst themselves"...
siar2: themselves refers only to their narrow clique in, not the whole congregation, not extended to ethnics, newcomers.
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Warning: A. Vogel (JW-run organization) treatments popping up in the US
by Anony Mous ini've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.
a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.
the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.
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Was not one of these operations in the 50, 60, 70, based in Montreal, Canada? then taken over by a bigger player? generosity to wt work[ers] is right.
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Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?
by Ding inmost jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.
they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.
aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.
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"religion" is being trance-formed but what can it do? Very interesting times indeed!
Old Navy: interesting news. you must mean tranche- formed, from french: "tranche' "to cut, a tranche, a piece of a pie or bread.
Do they all accept the talking snake?
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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal
by OrphanCrow inthe supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
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Coincidence: 7 earthquakes 7.4 in Russia today Fm:
7.4 must be on the Richter scale. against the Richter (Judge in german)
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An infographic I just created...
by HappyHappyHappy1914 inhey everyone.
i don't post here often, but i lurk pretty much everyday.
i just created the following infographic based on the recent yearbook stats.
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Where is the proof?
by stuckinarut2 inwe all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.
according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).
other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.
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Proof x-1 ? "Jws, Proclaimers..." book page 426. "....Millions..will never die!" false prophecy ca. 1919, recorded in >three languages!
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Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?
by Ding inmost jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.
they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.
aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.
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prospective " kings and priests with Jesus " , eh ? Never knew Jesus needed so much.....flipper: help
The new partakers can not be avid bible readers. Rev, 20.:-- to rule with Christ is not a question to eat crackers, but to be killed by the axe. That would seal your fate.
Why are there now more jw claimants? because they mistakenly believe to be a candidate, you have to partake, when the truth is, that the earliest partakers had an earthly hope and had to sacrifice that, to obtain the higher calling. All should have partaken all along., like all believers did. until 1925 , 35?
avid bible readers realize something is wrong when they come to the part with talking snake.