hey there.. if this point has been covered before please forgive me.. i have had the principles of noahs flood used by jw's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.. genesis states that a river flowed from eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the tigris and the euphrates.. heres the baffling part; if it had never rained before, how is it that rivers existed before the flood?!!?.
a brief google search tells us that the euphrates begins its journey as snow melt and rain ( as most rivers do) in mountains in turkey.. ecc chapter 1 mentions the water cycle and describes the rivers flowing into the sea but the sea not becoming full.
how did it work pre-flood?
Gen. 2:5,6: "-- God had not made it rain upon the ground -- but a mist would go up from the Earth and it watered the entire surface of the ground. 7: and God formed man --"
Make no mistake about it, it was a mist, in case you missed it, Your word is truth: Up to the time of humans,~ 6000 years ago, no rain.
hey there.. if this point has been covered before please forgive me.. i have had the principles of noahs flood used by jw's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.. genesis states that a river flowed from eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the tigris and the euphrates.. heres the baffling part; if it had never rained before, how is it that rivers existed before the flood?!!?.
a brief google search tells us that the euphrates begins its journey as snow melt and rain ( as most rivers do) in mountains in turkey.. ecc chapter 1 mentions the water cycle and describes the rivers flowing into the sea but the sea not becoming full.
how did it work pre-flood?
pre-flood world jjj:
If you look at pictures of excessive rain, it changes the landscape. If the 40 days Noachian rain flooded Mt everest, at the rate of 8 meters an hour, what would be left of a fertile plot like Eden? The Colorado river of Grand Canyon fame has reversed directions in it's life time. The rivers are older than the mountains, so:
The bible is a story, the wt saga is a story about stories, Think outside that narrow envelope, a suggestion.
added: maybe there was no rain where the first bible documents where written, but it rained,- snowed in many place.(think Glaciers covering Europe, North America.)
of course, any Eden worth it's name would have hot springs,- right ? water coming up, not down.
i am about halfway through the first draft of my study into the evolution of judaeo-christian soteriology.. while it is fashionable to disagree with the beliefs of "other" religions, be it the watchtower, mormons or islam, consistency requires the same position must be applied to any and all belief systems.
my study is not aimed specifically at the watchtower, although much of it will prove uncomfortable for jws.. i recommend that if a person's faith is weak, they should not read my study.
they should limit their reading to books and articles that support the beliefs they already hold.
'-- sitz im leben – Doug:
or in my case : Sitzfleisch?
I am very impressed with the work you are doing. Time is running out for me though, and I can not share your erudite fascination with salvation.
all the best, I just do not have enough Sitzfleisch in my "--sitz im leben--".
another major article regardng the report into sex abuse in the jws that was published a week ago.
tages anzeiger, 6 march 2017. thousands of sexual assaults in jehovah's witnesses.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama/vermischtes/tausende-sexuelle-uebergriffe-bei-den-zeugen-jehovas/story/22658338.
bad as it is, the headline above is slightly misleading, the Article is mainly about "Laender" = countries, and not Switzerland, where you would of course expect thousands of pedophiles to be present, as a proportion of the population.
so many things that i just discoved about the bible.. .
so from the book my book of bible stories, we all know how little moses was saved from a cruel pharaoh.
of course the king of egypt was afraid that those cute little babies would endanger his empire eventually.
and before that, every first born, likely many of them very young, were killed by the angel that passed over during the passover fly-by mission,
specifically targeted, not collateral damage like in London, Coventry , Dresden, Hiroshima, Aleppo.
11 march 2017. dear governing body of jehovah's witnesses,.
could you please introduce the phrase "spiritual generation" to replace the phrase "overlapping generation".
it would save us all a lot of confusion.. an online search of your publications dating back to 2000 showed that this term has never been used.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q="spiritual+generation"&p=par.
if you have an overlap, there also has to be an underlap, so, if the 1st resurrection started in 1918, we can wonder how Fr. Franz now feels that he has been underlapped, discredited in all his improper spiritual feeding at the wrong time? spiritual generation indeed.
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.
various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.
i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
I was not asking for anything big, just of a replication of abilities claimed earlier, but channeled into some useful task, rather than evening the score with the supposed prior genocide of male jewish babies.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
bible translations www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible .
wt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).
par 3; Jehovah does not have absolute free will anymore, not after he imposed the limitation that "he can not lie" on himself in the adhering to the 2 witness rule in the bible, and
he has never demonstrated believably that he can violate the laws of nature in "miracles" not just stories.
Par. 8: Adam not satisfied with his lot? au contraire, he , in his rush to stay with Eve missed the opportunity to start over again.
Free will is never free, if the other choice is oblivion.
wt just wants us all to be fully responsible for sticking with warwick. it is our fault if we believed the talking snake follow-up story. ha ha.
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.
various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.
i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
Waton - As a skeptic that's the sort of extreme example that I am not asking for.
understood, cofty, and it was written with the understanding that I wa pushing past the limit, yet, with that power supposedly displayed ones, why not put it to an urgent need now?
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.
various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.
i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
If: God now reassigning the angel that single-handedly identified and killed all the firstborn in Egypt to
head an angelic task force that is poised to instantly stop any impending rape, anywhere, and dispatch the culprit out of sight, instantly, permanently, no questions asked. and
those with them, that abate these atrocities.
