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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  Jesus validated the tale as true.

  No matter how we wish the tale to be true, the internal evidence is lacking today.

  take Jesus' affirmation of the global flood, inescapable because it covered even the highest mountains, the Himalayas.
  There is no evidence that such mass, suffocating pressure was upon the earth for 9 month, only ~ 4000 years ago.

  Our dying is explained not by sin, but it's benefits ( I am in my last decade) for the species as a whole.

  Will J or j somehow ensure a better future? hopefully. but frankly,

  the ransom, sinless sacrifice model is outmoded.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  waton

  Math. 19: 28 " you, (the 12 apostles) will sit upon 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. "

  The 12 tribes of Israel, out of which the Apostles, and the multiple of their number came, are the large pool, great crowd . The 144 000 are the few rulers of the many. The number is limited, literal, not indefinite.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  waton

  It is a literal number with symbolism. see

  a) the tribe of Joseph, new at this point, rewarded for being whistleblowers. like us. and contrasted with

  b) the the undetermined number of the members in each tribe, and

  c) the in innumerable Great Crowd ,
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  NASA: Humans Back to the Moon

  by Gerard in

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  nasa plans return to moon by 2020

  "this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.

  i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.

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  waton

  Elon Musk, using his " unrighteous riches " is now selling, reserving suits, for his around the moon Starship trips. a spacious spacecraft, 9 meters diameter, many window seats hopefully, probably full berth. Great use of his gains. but,

  working on the leaking problems, like with all infants projects, diapers, tape not a solution. and,

  the take off blast will also have a huge kickback, current problem, how not to damage the launchpad and the delicate spacecraft, even in only tests. .

  For the nerds: The Moon and Earth are actually wheeling around each other. try the formula for both:

  ( Vo : Vr ) x R ~384 000 km
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  speculations, what ifs ?, about a tale for which there is no evidence.
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the way it reads : the arguments are not based on evidence but on conclusions. --- drawn from?
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  What's all the disagreement about?

  How genetic splicing turned one of the imperfect ova (existing since soon after Mary's conception) into a perfect fetus.

  Excellent post, Thomas. More from the doubter please, you covered many angles, facets of the story.

  
  
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the argument is based on conclusions not evidence.

  Fisherman, you nailed it. Conclusions without evidence. wow. or

  as stated in another classic collection:

  "Much ado about nothing"
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  related to Jesus and probably looked like him

  so, appearance not according tp the art work, but according to prophecy: he was to be not an attractive man.
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection

  There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection. It is miraculous , like all the other fables recounted in scripture. the alchemist turning water into wine, walking on water without a surfboard, feeding 5 k with food for 5. going to heaven without a sky hook. emptying a cemetery and have the denizen walk intoJerusalem.

  Imagine the mechanics of that. Halloween here we come.

  Treating the bible as a science fiction story, does not make it science but leaves the fiction.

  The OP asks to bolster fiction with science.