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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  speculations, what ifs ?, about a tale for which there is no evidence.
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the way it reads : the arguments are not based on evidence but on conclusions. --- drawn from?
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  What's all the disagreement about?

  How genetic splicing turned one of the imperfect ova (existing since soon after Mary's conception) into a perfect fetus.

  Excellent post, Thomas. More from the doubter please, you covered many angles, facets of the story.

  
  
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the argument is based on conclusions not evidence.

  Fisherman, you nailed it. Conclusions without evidence. wow. or

  as stated in another classic collection:

  "Much ado about nothing"
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  related to Jesus and probably looked like him

  so, appearance not according tp the art work, but according to prophecy: he was to be not an attractive man.
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection

  There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection. It is miraculous , like all the other fables recounted in scripture. the alchemist turning water into wine, walking on water without a surfboard, feeding 5 k with food for 5. going to heaven without a sky hook. emptying a cemetery and have the denizen walk intoJerusalem.

  Imagine the mechanics of that. Halloween here we come.

  Treating the bible as a science fiction story, does not make it science but leaves the fiction.

  The OP asks to bolster fiction with science.

  
  
  
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  What is being discussed here is how is that possible.

  Fisherman, You are limiting the scope of the discussion. The OP asks for a real life solution, if possible, to a fictional setup in the literary master piece, the Bible. Doing so would create an aura, inject a sense of reality, into the whole made up talking snake story. Why not turn the problem around, and question the proposed situation on the basis of reality? After all,

  The second, super Adam did not outperform the original in any way, except words, and even those are suspect, having been written ~40+ years after the " fact".
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  waton

  "Jesus'" perfection has never been proven. It is just an assertion in the story. If it was important, proof could have been furnished by letting him live to over a 1000 years, retain his youth of ~ 21, (it goes south from then on). and best of all, give the "new World" a head start by having some perfect children and grand sons. but

  that would have been requiring real action, not just writing, editing.

  Words are cheap.
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  My prediction coming true

  by Foolednomore in

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  while back, not here on this net i don't remember.

  i predicted that watchtower would allow you to buy your way into the kingdumb.

  does anyone find this interesting?.

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  waton

  the New World society made up of the anointed remnant, the captains or sarim now serving in official capacities and the great crowd of other sheep,

  at least in those days wt still believed in "jesus's" words that the anointed would not pass heavenward until well after armageddon, (perhaps like John 30 years after the fall of jerusalem).

  I think the OP refers to the drive to have elderly jws assure their resurrection by willingly writing wills to pass wealth onto wt inc. a page out of an old book of BtG, with their purgatory, release money scams.
  
  
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  question for those who either aux pioneered pioneered

  by enoughisenough in

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  how many of you would have spent the hours "pioneering" if it weren't for the pats on the back and being looked up to as someone special in the congregation?

  i will admit that back in late 1970's i attempted to aux pioneer during a campaign because it was promoted and seemed the right thing to do,but i didn't get the hours and it was stressful trying to...and i didn't feel like a cheerful giver.

  i never attempted it again.

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  waton

  Full believer here, hitting the ground running in 1957, the bible message of the peaceful world imminent, destruction of warmongers, warriors and their war crimes, had to be heard by all, with cuban missile crises confirming the urgency. Started Pioneering 6 month after baptism, "specialed" in foreign language field 6 month later.

  we were paid 45.- ffor 150 hours, no extras for clothing, car or accommodation.

  The whole thing unravelled with the sh---- coloured "--- let every man be a liar book" , and the "superior authorities" flip flop.

  Gave wt one more chance up to 1975, my last pioneer year. pathetic false prophets.

  No regrets, the deity can not say we did not try, innocent like doves. but

  feel sorry for the born ins, whose possible brilliant lives, advances were stymied by wt's criminal anti education stance. ( and their parent's desire to hang on to elder positions at all cost)

  all for the sake of the golden calf, the org.