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  1914- responsible for the biggest decrease in JW's?

  by joey jojo in

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  theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.

  or will they come up with something new?.

  does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.

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  waton

  2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.

  
  

  joey jojo can you provide a link from wt publications to that idea?

  The only support for that wt doctrine I can remember, was an illustration of a well muscled wanderer with knotty walking stick striding by gardens of the New World settlements. Current wt doctrine has the anointed dying at the onset of the Great Tribulation.

  At the meeting the article was studied, I instantaneously knew in my mind that my time in the Witness religion was over

  LHG, I remember the instant feeling too, but not which study. By the time David S delivered his PHD, it had become a joke to me. .

  JW membership numbers have not declined, but progress, increase has. Nobody is coming "into the truth" excited about the doctrines.
  
  
  
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  2022 - 1914 = ?

  by fedup in

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  obviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.

  forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.

  the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.

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  waton

  My 89 Y O father

  SB: is that the caption for the picture? that violates at least on of the ten tenets. but:

  like father, like son, so, is that a selfie?
  
  
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  2022 - 1914 = ?

  by fedup in

  1. watchtower
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  obviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.

  forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.

  the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.

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  waton

  fedup, do the math: 2022 - 1914 =

  108. there are currently 300 people positively known to be over 110, perhaps a thousand at 108. a generation that has not passed.

  wt's mistake was to pick the anointed partakers among all the living to be the true last generation. An undisturbed lifespan of a human is 120 years. 1914+120 =134. so,

  wt's fixation on the anointed is the Big Mistake, because they dont matter. because Jesus said: all should partake. anyway. ( the French record holders, absolute: 122 and current: 108, did in fact partake: of communion)
  
  
  
  
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  2022 - 1914 = ?

  by fedup in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.

  forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.

  the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.

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  waton

  - rehab- the generation teaching go away will take some work- I think they made a big mistake trying to rehab it with the overlapping generations. TonusOH.

  No, it is the Anointing of the generation, in the second fulfillment that is fundamentally wrong.

  The general population of old ladies in okinawa, southern France will live to 2032+ no overlap required.

  The only generation in the wt fulfillment, (which is the second coming) is made up of those that somehow survive Armageddon, but die in the final test on the 4 cornered earth. because,

  !) they have to die, pass away after the end time prophecy is fulfilled, and/but

  2) can not be the sympathetic Sheep, because they pass into "everlasting life" so,

  a rehab will only result in a a really convoluted pretzel.

  better to scrap the whole thing, not even to recycle the waste.
  
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  2022 - 1914 = ?

  by fedup in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.

  forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.

  the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.

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  waton

  Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. - Matt 24:34 NWT

  tbn: so, the generation has to pass away after armageddon right? or?

  well the 1914 generation of wt writers are now the anointed, partakers. but,

  when do the anointed have to pass to heaven, according to wt prophecy? think about it, they will fight at the battle,so"

  for anointed partakers, the onset of the great tribulation is the latest for rapture time

  the wt generation prophecy is so bad it does not allow time for Armageddon, their most pivotal event, when comparing jesus to wt wording .
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  2022 - 1914 = ?

  by fedup in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously not the orgs brightest moment for teaching that the generation of 1914 would be alive to see paradise.

  forget the "new light" that bought them an extra 100 years, which if any other religion would've done this, the org would scream false religion.

  the fact is that for 75 years this #1 recruiting message from the society was a lie.. i asked a current jw to get a calculator and do the math: 2022 - 1914 = an angry reaction.

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  waton

  fu: current jws do not do analysis. but wt writers have dug themselves into an even deeper mess, when they declared the generation to be the anointed.

  That meant that at the starting point of 1914 they had to be at least 21 year olds like Fr. Franz's example -- to be counted, as D. Splane pointed out.

  Only a few Okinawans, Sardinians and southern France lady citizens would make it past the year 2000. none of them the stressed jw faithful, putting in 15 minutes per month.
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  Is it okey to express your love for Jesus currently as a Jehovah's witness?

  by Kosonen in

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  is it okey to express your love for jesus as a jehovah's witness?.

  it should be, even though it would lift some eyebrows in the congregation.

  let's see what jesus said:.

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  waton

  Is it because JESUS knew that his name was,--salvation--. bolds added

  S3, are you arguing that Jesus hid the most holy Name, even in his private conversations, to push his own name into later prominence, but wt promoted the father's name later?

  imho, the Jesus character is depicted as highly respective of the holy name, him even using "eli" in his last plea to heavens. Eli sounding to me very similar to the later term allah.
  
  
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  Is it okey to express your love for Jesus currently as a Jehovah's witness?

  by Kosonen in

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  is it okey to express your love for jesus as a jehovah's witness?.

  it should be, even though it would lift some eyebrows in the congregation.

  let's see what jesus said:.

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  waton

  I love the way Jesus never used the Name of his father, as in the text you cited and all others.
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  Shocking Letter Reveals Jehovah's Witnesses True Beliefs! - YouTube 'xjw curious'

  by Mace.Bean in

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  youtube's 'xjw curious,' pete corbeil, reads proselytizing letter written by a pimo jw who simply shares current watchtower teachings like no other jw.

  use google drive link below to print your own copies of this letter.

  (114) shocking letter reveals jehovah's witnesses true beliefs!

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  waton

  it took 10 days from Jesus' ascension to Pentecost to get confirmation that message to & from heaven had been received (the ransom value).

  It took wt writer ~30+ years to discover and correct/ reverse their bloober on the superior authorities.
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  Shocking Letter Reveals Jehovah's Witnesses True Beliefs! - YouTube 'xjw curious'

  by Mace.Bean in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  youtube's 'xjw curious,' pete corbeil, reads proselytizing letter written by a pimo jw who simply shares current watchtower teachings like no other jw.

  use google drive link below to print your own copies of this letter.

  (114) shocking letter reveals jehovah's witnesses true beliefs!

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  waton

  are you saying that now JWs only study the WT magazines (digital ones) while at the kingdom hall, and that none obtain paper copies

  DJW. no, I am talking about the quick revisions that happened in the 50s and 60s, we bound our own volumes to retain the unabridged juicy stuff. Today some seem to still have wt paper copies but also being on zoom. Moscow's pravda or twitter et all are not the only variable truths available, it is alive and well in the brave wt " New World Society."