par 3 seems to involve time as such, not just any time. as if only wt time/ wt think matters.
an appeal to self indoctrinate, circular reasoning to close the loop against the intrusion of better more enlightened answers.
Posts by waton
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8the cheap trick for believers...
by inbetween inyesterdays wt study (wt january 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to god.. in order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask god anytime for basically anything.
and each time god answers your prayers the faith grows.. now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes.
some naturally will fail, some will come true.
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
foreigners are those present at the beginning of the law covenant, -- foreigners who associated with Jews centuries later DJW
thank you,
wow, now there are even 2 classes of OS. are they overlapping too?
really, the new covenant is not the law covenant and the terms are simple, forgiveness of sins. no genealogy proofs required.
Borodin wrote a song about it, also known as "stranger in paradise" more moving than the strange wt doctrine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoClDxy41zg
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
Deuteronomy 29:10-15 destroys this JW dogma & its implications. Boogerman
right, and Rev 7: 1-8 pulverizes it further, because the "others" so despised by wt, out of which the 1444 000 are sealed, are the specifically named 12 tribes of Israel, not foreigners at all.
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Jw's sending me invites and letters, I don't get it.
by Foolednomore infirst off, i have made it real clear with jw's my thoughts on being a jw.
i'm out, there is no coming back.. second, i'm on their " do not call list" .. so why now all of a sudden my mailbox is getting bombed 💣 by their memorial invites and letters?.
don't they follow their do not call list?
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waton
So why now all of a sudden my mailbox is getting bombed 💣 by their memorial invites and letters?
it is a typical wt campaign, area bombing the territory, sending invites to all in the territory. applying the 2 witness rule.
Our box had already 2, the territory worked over again
field overseers, a fate like "bomber Harris" awaits you.
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
All the jw do is celebrate the death of Jesus. That’s it. What is wrong with that?
fisherman : The wt celebration cancels the meaning of the death of jesus, wt is doing the ceremony wrongly. instead of letting the earthly class partake as jesus did, wt forbids that.
At some point in the future as the scriptures say, the memorial will stop being celebrated. That is all there is too it. fisherman:
At some point in the futuretime, the new covenant, for forgiveness of sins, will have run its course, mission accomplished.
No more worthy candidates will need redemption. How that fits into the the return of Jesus, his coming, his presence, waits to be seen, no wt speculation, new lights needed.
"That is all that there is too it"
fisherman, read the convoluted wt outline, the sudden jump, the disconnect from Forgiveness of sin for all, to to the little flock only. a celebration hijacked by wt to enslave jws for a thousand years,
that is all there is to it.
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
“until he arrives”( to paraphrase the related verse) Obviously, the verse means that at some point it will stop so the interpretation is based on text not a wt dogma. In the meantime, how is the observation not based on scripture or inproper
Fm: can you point to a text that would put the second Christ's arrival into the post Armageddon era? because it is then that the celebration s supposed to stop.
The wt "observation" is not based on scripture, because it is supposed to be not an observation, but a partaking of all present. Jesus being the exception, because as the only anointed present he technically did not drink during the last phase of the meal. so at the last supper all the earthly sheep eat and drank, but the anointed abstained .
wt has it the other way around, the anointed partake, but the "you will never die" crowd, the earthly sheep reject the ransom.
You can not get it more wrong than that. wt does the exact opposite of what happened originally.
Fisherman, there is something fishy with that. it is improper.
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
Looking forward what wt predicts for the end of the century for the memorial then, is even more senseless.
then there will be no memorial at all. imagine, full springtime moon, and no communal wine.that is senseless. because
Jesus died to buy back what was lost. life in paradise. at the future time, according to wt, we will have regained the paradise we lost. but
we will not honor, be reminded of the gift that made it possible. because
according to wt, the memorial is all about them, the wt elite, who are scheduled to be gone forever, out of this world, at the great tribulation.
no elite, no memorial according to their current light.
may be that current should be interrupted.
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The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmatthew 26: 18-20 .
18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.
why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?
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waton
not to be overlooked is the fact that the apostles, first recipients of the symbolic "flesh and blood" of John 6 . were only prospective anointed, had still an earthly hope, hope of an earthly Israelite kingdom ( read acts 1: 5,6,7.
all christians, even wt adherents, are prospective "sealed ones" of Rev.7, possible future "anointed", therefore following Jesus' action, all present should partake. "eat, drink all of you".
If wt makes a "reject the everlasting life offer" out of it,
do it privately at home. after all,
the last supper was a private exclusive affaire. so, follow Jesus' instructions. wt pressure notwithstanding.
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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?
by pistolpete ini found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.
how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.
i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.
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waton
there is something eerie about this grouping, all inside a supposed generation.
D. Splane cited Frederick Franz, (who never generated,) as the quintessential under lapper. FF once gave a talk: "The Children God has given me" he must have anticipated that these would continue to spin his tales along all the way to 2075, as the OP stated > 80 years beyond FF's demise. RIP 1992 overlapped to 2075,
an 83 years extension with a 20 year overlap, perhaps by an anointed "sister" more than 100 year old, --doable.
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Another example of how Watchtower are rewriting their own history.
by skin infrom today's daily wt text.. friday, december 31 2021.let your kingdom come.
let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.—matt.
6:10. christendom generally does not teach the scriptural truth that one day obedient humans will live forever on earth.
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waton
So, elite humanity goes to heaven, bad guys go to the other place, universe is just there and earth is inhabited by plants and animals. No more humans? f
, we dont know yet. The great tribulation will be cut short, for, -- if not-- "no flesh will be saved." so, supposedly human lives will be protected. but, the earth and solar system have an expiration, best before date, limited fuel supply. so barring more miracles, and a reduction in population and behaviour, everlasting life, eternal life, can not means earth, even paradise as we know it.
remember, previous natural disasters wiped out the dominant species. now, who, us?