how about the fact that there is a tribe of Joseph and another one for one of his sons? a departure from previous lists? A throwback to the original blessings, but why cropping up at that late date?
Posts by waton
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32Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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waton
BB have a heart, you want all of us to remain virgins? 12^2 k is bad enough.! seriously,
numbers can have symbolic meanings, but 144 000 is one of largest spelled out precisely, more than the 4 corners of the earth, or the 10 kings.
(not advocating for wt, just remarking)
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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waton
the other new light that wt still has to come up with, is joining the frayed ends of their anointed generation prophecy.
The wt anointed being the remnant of the 144 00o sealed ones.
The full bearded army with the golden clubs in the above illustration, are the immortal ones in action. at Armageddon. For that to happen, , the wt partakers have to die, to go to heaven at the latest with the onset of the great tribulation. but
that means they can not be the generation. because:
did not Jesus say. the generation will pass only after all these terrible things will have occurred ? passed?
wt will not get a pass as the true prophet on that one , the overlap will make it even worse. therefore:
new light:
the remnant of the 144 000 are not "the" generation
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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waton
Rev 7 has the 144 000 come out of the 12 tribes of israel. jesus said prior to that, the apostles would rule over the 12 tribes. therefore, wt has it, that the 12 tribes are those with an earthly hope. In another interpretation the 12 tribes must be the "Israel of God" that according to wt are the anointed only. so, do the 144 000 come out of the earthly class? possibly , the apostles did. but are the 144 000 sealed out of the rest of the israel of god? or the OS, or both?
they follow jesus "wherever he goes", are probably the deserving souls killed with the axe, to rule for a 1000 years. of Rev 20.
They must have christlike self control to be like him, male virgins as per Rev 14.
Not uncommon to have a special groupe, elite, senate if you will, clustered around a government. so
what is this new light? , sorry, can't stand orateurs.
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Memorial invite
by JoenB75 innow they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.
it always makes me a bit sad.
i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.
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waton
find the unleavened bread in the wastepaper basket
Lidf: that shows you the symbolism of Abel's sacrifice, he too offered basically garbage, flesh, that not even the vegetarian dogs, antediluvian pigs would touch.
to the Roman Catholic church--,
shows you you that the catholics do it oftener, like Paul wrote: "as often as you celebrate you proclaim--
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Memorial wt study, re tro view.
by waton infor those still involved in the april 15 event, under the full evening moon.. "do this in memory of me " right, and follow the instructions.
3) "small number cherish a heavenly hope" but at the last supper, all still had an earthly hope, even jesus spoke in earthly terms about the future.
4) "spoke to them about 2 covenants, the new covenant and the kingdom covenant" a new one to me, note the missing capitalization for the new covenant, the one for all, for forgiveness of sins, the blood covenant, the wine symbolism, but implied [wrongly ] meaning of the kingdom rule promises.
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waton
Have no part of it - it was all a bad dream
op": this is provided for all the dreamers, that are still not fully awake. to show by comparing the scriptures to the practises, how wrong wt is. Even by the standards that the talking snake / the remedy/ might just be a story, nothing more.
wt promising life, via flawed doctrines, when we already have it, living it to the full, thankfully.
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Memorial wt study, re tro view.
by waton infor those still involved in the april 15 event, under the full evening moon.. "do this in memory of me " right, and follow the instructions.
3) "small number cherish a heavenly hope" but at the last supper, all still had an earthly hope, even jesus spoke in earthly terms about the future.
4) "spoke to them about 2 covenants, the new covenant and the kingdom covenant" a new one to me, note the missing capitalization for the new covenant, the one for all, for forgiveness of sins, the blood covenant, the wine symbolism, but implied [wrongly ] meaning of the kingdom rule promises.
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waton
twisting the occasion into an opportunity to draw allegiance to themselves:
yeah, it is like a delayed funeral talk, wt infomercial.
the doctrinal pretzel contortions will be hard to follow, swallow, for newcomers. Info booth/ carts will solve that.
hopefully wt will see the "new light" direction and will soon serve wine for all. big attendance boost guaranteed, the rising "Anointed" numbers soaring past 144 000 conundrum solved.
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Memorial wt study, re tro view.
by waton infor those still involved in the april 15 event, under the full evening moon.. "do this in memory of me " right, and follow the instructions.
3) "small number cherish a heavenly hope" but at the last supper, all still had an earthly hope, even jesus spoke in earthly terms about the future.
4) "spoke to them about 2 covenants, the new covenant and the kingdom covenant" a new one to me, note the missing capitalization for the new covenant, the one for all, for forgiveness of sins, the blood covenant, the wine symbolism, but implied [wrongly ] meaning of the kingdom rule promises.
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waton
re tro view.
blondie, your p re views were better, but hey, try to figure it out, the gists.
"why to attend the memorial ?" , to see, witness the basis for judgement for not following instructions, perverting/preventing the life giving procedures.
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Memorial wt study, re tro view.
by waton infor those still involved in the april 15 event, under the full evening moon.. "do this in memory of me " right, and follow the instructions.
3) "small number cherish a heavenly hope" but at the last supper, all still had an earthly hope, even jesus spoke in earthly terms about the future.
4) "spoke to them about 2 covenants, the new covenant and the kingdom covenant" a new one to me, note the missing capitalization for the new covenant, the one for all, for forgiveness of sins, the blood covenant, the wine symbolism, but implied [wrongly ] meaning of the kingdom rule promises.
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waton
for those still involved in the April 15 event, under the full evening moon.
"do this in memory of me " right, and follow the instructions.
3) "small number cherish a heavenly hope" but at the last supper, all still had an earthly hope, even jesus spoke in earthly terms about the future.
4) "spoke to them about 2 covenants, the new covenant and the Kingdom covenant" a new one to me, note the missing capitalization for the NEW Covenant, the one for all, for forgiveness of sins, The blood covenant, the wine symbolism, but implied [wrongly ] meaning of the Kingdom rule promises.
The kingdom covenant is not the one meant by "the blood of the covenant"
6) WT march 1938: "it will be right for the others to be present at such meeting".-- of course , since the last supper, there were always those that had an everlasting life hope, without wt graciously giving permission.
7) key text missing is : John 6: "Unless you drink of my blood and eat my flesh you will not have everlasting life"
Jesus at the last supper: "eat and drink, all of you"
11) Math 25, wt twisting Jesus' encouragement to do humanitarian work into "primarily supporting -- the "anointed's" preaching, [wt] disciple making work"
12) "global campaign to invite --- to the memorial" how is that doing this in memory? when he kept attendance to a minimum, dismissing unworthy Judas, when he had 500 brothers ready for later assembly? thousands that would come again for a free meal?
14) "the gift of the ransom" as also taught by all the churches. symbolized by their cross.
15) the real meaning is by hidden wt articles is: : by way of partaking, right to everlasting life is gained. The anointed among the partakers, renounce, sacrifice that right to aspire to the higher calling. -- as did Jesus.
16 ) "we want to obey Jesus" well wt, do it then, and follow instructions as per scripture. in summary:
This article hints at a new slant, bringing in the 2 covenants together, but still ignoring the pattern that The new covenant for forgiveness of sins applies to all [ of the 12 tribes], all Christian congregation members, that
the "blood of the covenant" is not the blood of the kingdom covenant, all should partake* to get everlasting life.
thankfully many do, hidden, in private, as did the 12 at the last supper.
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Subliminal POMO image at JW.org
by Smiles inpomo-c. physically-out-mentally-out... of cult .
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https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/ukraine/update-4-brotherly-love-prevails-amid-ongoing-crisis-in-ukraine/.
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waton
even if WT is doing it as a PR stunt, the people involved are doing something good for others and only completely jaded people would not believe they care about the suffering.
. Nobody on this thread is berating the workers, their devotion. Like in many religions, and free helpers, people are working to do good. perhaps 10 million people are being helped, with joy, during this new episode of inhumanity. -by these many unsung heros-.
what is sickening about wt is, that everything has to be callously harnessed to their "organisation" propaganda maschine. such as the example of
the prophetic admonishing of Jesus to do humanitarian work, to care for the sick, the hungry, the persecuted , in Math. 25., --- that wt, incredibly ties, limits exclusively - to work in their endless "campaigns" .
how jaded callous can you get?