By the time the doctrinal pig gets swallowed, it is already dead, lifeless. so it is with wt doctrines, they are flawed, from their conception. before that fact is discovered.
latest example, the anointed generation.
Posts by waton
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3Another boa, another pig!
by Slidin Fast ini was just thinking about the way dubs are required to swallow huge indigestible lumps of “spiritual” food without question like a boa swallows a pig.. our batch had the "overlapping generation" presented amongst many other travesties.
the gb looked us in the eye and dared us not to swallow it whole, don’t complain about indigestion just take it.. can you imagine though being told, post 1914, that the awaited kingdom, christ in all his glory had already happened.
it happened just as foretold.
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question if your a Jw are you also free moral agent?
by poopie ini am asking that question because recent watchtowers tell adherents to not talk email or text a df person how does that jibe with being free moral agent able to make a personal choice?.
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waton
..able to make a personal choice?
Wt does not disable a person from making personal choices, but if you do communicate with an postate for example, in wt eyes, you have possibly joined the opposing camp.
wt does not want to be held responsible for the chunning, or it's results, they declared those consequences " the personal choice" you made. It is never wt's fault.
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the GB's coup of the FDS
by Magnum ini believe the gb's takeover of the fds was an illegal coup - not illegal relative to the laws of land, but illegal according to jw "laws" or doctrine.. according to jw doctrine, the fds is god's channel of communication between heaven and earth.
before the coup, the fds was defined to be all the anointed on earth, and the gb was part of that group and merely the spokesman for the group - individual gb members having no more authority than non-gb members of the fds.. however, a few years ago, the gb, independently of the other members of the fds, decided that it alone was the fds.
that, to me, was an illegal overthrow of the body (fds); it was a coup.. suppose the u.s. president decided that he has all power, and that he removed the powers of the u.s. congress.
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waton
The " all partakers are the slave , equal parts of the body of Christ " always sounded contrived. The change from "all the remnant" to "brothers in Brooklyn" was only affirming reality. Where wt went too far is demoting all pre -1919 Christian writers from the ranks of the F&DS too, -- Apostles, Paul, Luke, James and all.
That is why there is no more "Bible" in the WTB&TS, organ, jworg. not only are many of the present partaker flaky, bible writers/characters were too.
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the GB's coup of the FDS
by Magnum ini believe the gb's takeover of the fds was an illegal coup - not illegal relative to the laws of land, but illegal according to jw "laws" or doctrine.. according to jw doctrine, the fds is god's channel of communication between heaven and earth.
before the coup, the fds was defined to be all the anointed on earth, and the gb was part of that group and merely the spokesman for the group - individual gb members having no more authority than non-gb members of the fds.. however, a few years ago, the gb, independently of the other members of the fds, decided that it alone was the fds.
that, to me, was an illegal overthrow of the body (fds); it was a coup.. suppose the u.s. president decided that he has all power, and that he removed the powers of the u.s. congress.
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waton
elaborate? yes: Using the words of David Splane. He upheld the life data of F. Franz as a standard for anointed overlappers. F.F. died in 1992 at the age of ~99 and after 78 years of partaking since and before 1914, the start date of the generation. A similar partaker overlapping Franz, would live to ~2070 (1992 +78), and be 46 years old today. Given that D. Splane allowed that older partaker exist (or partook earlier in their lives), and future improvements in healthcare, these facts would easily push that figure to 2075, understanding too, that the end of the anointed generation happens at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, well ahead of the end run of Armageddon. 2075 it is
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the GB's coup of the FDS
by Magnum ini believe the gb's takeover of the fds was an illegal coup - not illegal relative to the laws of land, but illegal according to jw "laws" or doctrine.. according to jw doctrine, the fds is god's channel of communication between heaven and earth.
before the coup, the fds was defined to be all the anointed on earth, and the gb was part of that group and merely the spokesman for the group - individual gb members having no more authority than non-gb members of the fds.. however, a few years ago, the gb, independently of the other members of the fds, decided that it alone was the fds.
that, to me, was an illegal overthrow of the body (fds); it was a coup.. suppose the u.s. president decided that he has all power, and that he removed the powers of the u.s. congress.
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waton
Of course , because Brooklyn backdated this appointment to 1919, it was passed off as a fait accompli, already in force since 1919, and by making the generation anointed, it gave the general partakers a consolation prize, they are the timepiece for the end, 2075 really.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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waton
even if repentant, a person could be disfellowshipped for an "offence" that had created notoriety in the community. This seems not to be the case with the Wall affair, two occasion of drunkenness? ask the Glen How crowd about Covington.
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In what decade was it clearly apparent that Watchtower was a high control religion?
by UnshackleTheChains ini'm just curious to get people's views on this.. the bible students seem to start of as quite a liberal group under charles taze russell, albeit he had some whacky teachings going on.
obviously things began to change under rutherford.
but what decade did it become abundantly clear that the society was indeed high control religion or even labeled a cult?.
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waton
When Frederick Franz proclaimed in Yankee Stadium, that pets should under no circumstances receive blood transfusion.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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waton
Ruby OC: You could do business with a shunned one but, once you walked out of his place of business, you couldn't go and have coffee with him/her. You were restricted
was Ray Franz not disfellowshipped for having dinner with his disfellowshipped employer?
Is not business often done over dinner?
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How do jw's answer this? John 6:54 & blood issue
by carla ini happen to be cruising around the net and stumbled upon this question on a different forum.
how do jw's answer jesus words in john 6:54 today?.
"whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will raise them up at the last day.
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waton
Jws might argue that the bible was written for the anointed, and those listening to Jesus sayings in John 6, were of the [later] anointed generation of his day.
Ignoring the fact that it would be only one flock, eating one food, not the two tier Christianity that wt invented in the 1930,
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How do jw's answer this? John 6:54 & blood issue
by carla ini happen to be cruising around the net and stumbled upon this question on a different forum.
how do jw's answer jesus words in john 6:54 today?.
"whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will raise them up at the last day.
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waton
The convoluted wt teaching is, that the partaking of the remnant gives the "anointed" the right to "everlasting life" on earth (like the second Adam) ,--but then they have to sacrifice that privilege for the better hope of immortality in heaven.
That explanation does not address the fact though, that the non-partaking "Other Sheep" sooner or later will have to partake too, in order to have everlasting life like Adam, and be resurrected.
wt has never put those 3 steps in one sentence, because it too would expose their error of confusing the new covenant with the one for the priesthood and kingdom rule, and highlight the command to eat, drink all of you, not anointed yet.