So the churches will be empty? Sounds good to me!
Rainbow_Troll
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AUSTRALIA: Christian lobby group seeks to discriminate against the mentally ill
by jwleaks inabc news (australia).
13 june 2017. a national christian group is lobbying for the disability discrimination act to be changed so that it can discriminate against people with mental illnesses, on the basis they could upset the "sacred" nature of church services.. familyvoice has called for a religious exemption to the act, arguing it interferes with freedom of religion.. in a submission to a federal parliamentary inquiry on freedom of belief, familyvoice said a person with a mental illness had the potential to interfere with a church service.. "for very good reasons a religion may not wish to engage a person who has a mental illness and displays disturbed behaviour," the submission read.. "a simple provision should be added for an exemption from the act for persons ... whose conscientious beliefs do not allow them to comply" .
.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-13/familyvoice-wants-to-discriminated-against-disabled-sex-change/8612052.
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My New Fascination - Evolution!
by pale.emperor insince leaving watchtower i kind of hit the "reset" button in my mind and reevaluated what i thought i knew, what i believe and i require proof for every idea put before me before i commit to it.
lately i've been fascinated with evolution.
as a jw i never even looked at the subject, dismissing it as "just a theory".
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Cofty: You might be surprised to learn just how much progress has been made in abiogenesis. Some really promising work being done by Nick Lane of UCL and others on bioenergetics.
I'll look them up. The concept of abiogenesis has fascinated me ever since I read of a Scottish scientist back in the late nineteenth century who claimed to have done it. Most people now think it was a hoax, as his experiments were never reproduced, but it the nonetheless sparked my interest. Creationists argue that there is no way something as complex as a cell could spontaneously assemble itself, yet Lynne Margulis' endosymbiotic hypothesis was proven beyond any doubt once mitochondrial DNA was discovered and compared with the DNA of modern bacteria. Cells did not spontaneously assemble themselves, nor were not created in their modern form by God, they evolved from simpler components, just multicellular organisms later evolved from them.
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Judge doesn't want youngster to go to any assemblies/conventions or memorial
by LevelThePlayingField infrom the article, "the judge concluded that there was a risk of the youngster suffering "emotional damage" if he was taken to to jehovah's witness assemblies, annual conventions and memorials.".
read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/11/jehovahs-witness-agrees-not-show-son-religious-cartoons-risk/.
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Rainbow_Troll
Good news indeed! But the judge didn't go far enough. I think that eventually every secular nation will have to copy China's policy: no one under 18 years of age should be permitted to enter a church, mosque or synagogue. The primary vector for the god virus is simple procreation. Children should be inoculated at an early age through the study of logic and science, not exposed from infancy as they are at present. If an adult wants to convert to some wacky cult, more power to them, but their children should not be forced into the bargain! And how many adults will even consider joining any religion if they were never exposed to it in childhood? This is their Achilles heel!
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My New Fascination - Evolution!
by pale.emperor insince leaving watchtower i kind of hit the "reset" button in my mind and reevaluated what i thought i knew, what i believe and i require proof for every idea put before me before i commit to it.
lately i've been fascinated with evolution.
as a jw i never even looked at the subject, dismissing it as "just a theory".
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I have never met a creationist who understood evolution. All of their polemics against the theory, even what you find in books by authors who should have first read some themselves, boil down to straw-man arguments. I sometimes suspect that these books are really just covert misinformation campaigns - something they succeed at very well - instead of genuine attempts to refute the theory of evolution.
The smart creationist concerns himself solely with with origin of life itself rather than the origin of species, as this is one of the few dark corners that science hasn't yet shed its light on.
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I have been reflecting on the responses to my post for the past day. People who have undergone radiation and chemo (or knew someone who had) report no ill-effects other than fatigue and hair loss as well as the cancer retreating, and while I don't for a moment believe that anyone here is lying, I find these statements impossible to square with my own experiences.
When my father was diagnosed with cancer he did not seem unhealthy to me. He may have had cancer, but he was still able to work, eat and do everything that he had always done before. And yet, after only a few short weeks of radiation and chemo, he was bed-ridden, could not keep any food down and was in constant pain. Whether these symptoms of his were actually the result of his treatments or the cancer itself, it is clear that the treatments were doing absolutely nothing to help him.
Something isn't adding up here.
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Why does this forum tolerate Cold steele and his mormonism beliefs ? Who`s next ?
by smiddy ini thought this forum was for people who were ex jw`s and pro jw`s and the like to debate ,discuss and reasonably talk about our differences ,and sometimes drift off into politics world events and whatever.. however over a period of time i have come across cold steel `s many posts which are nothing more than promoting his mormon religions point of view./beliefs what has that got to do with jehovahs witnesses and the concerns many have with the jw religion.?.
it seems to me he is using this forum to promote his religion and is getting away with it over a long period of time.. how long before other cult religions see this as a springboard for promoting their own religion such as .
sda`s ,christian scientists , christadelphians ,beroean bible students ,etc.etc.. where will it end if he is able to keep doing this ?.
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This is an ex-jw forum, not an ex-theist forum. Plenty of ex-jws adopt different religions after leaving (it's why some leave in the first place). If religion scares you and you would rather talk with only atheists then there are plenty of other places on the web where you can go.
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Whether Jesus was a historical figure or not matters not
by venus inwhen i suffered some loss what jesus said came to my mind: “if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.” (mathew 5:40) principle behind this statement made flash to me: ‘here shirt is only a symbol of material things/comfort.
if you suffer a loss, have the mind-set that i have no problem even if i suffer some greater loss,’ and my worry immediately disappeared.
whether jesus was a historical figure or not matters not if what he (supposedly) said happens to be of great practical help..
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As a religion I think Christianity stands or falls on Jesus' historicity (as well as his resurrection); but as an ethical philosophy Christianity no more depends on Jesus than Platonism does on Socrates. Christian ethics sans the religious dogma, whether it be in the form of Christian Deism or Christian Atheism or 'Infinite Way' monism, is the only way I see Christianity surviving in an educated society; it's the only variety of Christianity that deserves to survive.
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Ted talk
by zeb ini like to watch ted talks.. a recent one i watched was "why i left the westboro baptist church" x megan phelps-roper.
i have never heard of this church ever before after all i am in australia.
the talk and all the young woman stated as beliefs and dogma sounded just like the jw minus the noisy demos..
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The Westbro Baptists not only read the Bible (unlike the vast majority of those who consider themselves Christians), but they have the integrity to follow the principle of sola scriptura to its logical conclusion. It's an ugly conclusion, I will concede you that, but for that very reason I favor it. These people have done more to discredit Christianity than Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Robert G. Ingersoll combined! Those men could always be accused of being prejudiced against the Bible - of deliberately twisting the scriptures to fit their anti-theist agenda - but you can't accuse Rev. Phelps of that. He's a Christian who 'gets it'. He sees the Christian God for the psychopathic monster that he is and embraces Him!
And what does "intellectually dishonest" mean?
An intellectually dishonest person is someone who consciously refuses to take responsibility for the contents of their mind and thus fails to arrive at an internally consistent worldview. Like insisting that blood transfusions are the same as drinking blood and thus unkosher, while scarfing down bacon and clam chowder.
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My oldest sister had brain cancer, and radiation and chemotherapy helped save her life
What makes you so sure it was radiation and chemo that saved her? Plenty of people think Gerson therapy saved their lives. Others swear by prayer.
My dad did chemo and radiation. He's dead. He would have died anyways, of course, but the quacks he put his trust in ensured that his last months on this earth were as agonizing as possible. But hey, it worked out well for them financially.
My uncle took the same route in addition to a strict vegetarian diet, but he didn't even last as long as my dad.
My mom's friend also decided to trust her doctors. Guess what happened to her...
Given the success rate of chemo and radiation I would rather take my chances with the Gerson therapy. Juicing and dieting may not extend your life, but at least it doesn't make your hair fall out or force you to drink stuff that tastes like vomit to survive. But hey, it's your life.
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Cofty: Bizarre that you put chemo in the same grouping as grape juice.
I know, it really isn't fair to all those hucksters who recommend prayer and grape juice to put them in the same drawer with conventional medicine. Chemo and radiation are the only 'cures' that actually make the patient sicker. Prayer, though useless as a treatment, can comfort the dying; and grape juice at least has the virtue of being harmless and yummy!