one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
When reason and solid thinking fail to convince, try name-calling. But there was never any real dialog. I think we simply had a wack-job with us for a while.
From what I've seen so far, "any real dialog" is too difficult for you to attain, much like your inability to spell "whack" correctly.
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one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
pale [brain] spouted:
My parents had sex in February 1984. Of the 15 million sperm I was the fastest and managed to implant into my mothers egg. I grew from a single cell organism into a complex bundle of self replicating cells that eventually became a baby. I was squeezed out of my mothers cervix on 21st November 1984.
I can present evidence for all of these things.
And no doubt jookbeard Butt-Head was hanging onto your left ankle with his right hand, trying to prevent you from crossing the finish line first. No doubt it was YOU who caused your mother all that grief constantly kicking her insides. And you caused her even more grief years later when you decided to marry that pagan. And after you had sold your birthright you kept it a secret, not informing your father about the deal you made with Butt-Head. In case you need someone to explain it to you--that was deceitful of YOU! You deceived your own father!!! And then after your deceit backfired you got all angry and wanted to kill your brother, Butt-Head!!!! Bad boy, bad boy, what you gonna do when they come for you!!!!!!!
one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
jookbeard,
It's understandable that someone with your intelligence would choose the avatar "Beavis & Butthead". You do a real good job of imitating them both. But why you want to stoop that low is puzzling. No self respect? No respect for anyone else either? Do you hate puppies as well?
one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
pale emperor,
Yes, indeed, Adam and Eve were the first two humans . . . . . seriously. Do you have a superior explanation of how you got here? Try to be intelligent, and state your case.
one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
stilling,
It is sickening, not "sobering and humbling," to see a ferocious animal attack its prey. (You obviously have little respect for animal life.) And, no, God did NOT design animals to be "carnivorous". After Adam rebelled everything went downhill, the animal kingdom, the weather, etc.--you name it, it all suffered and is still suffering. If Adam had remained in the Garden, by now the entire earth would have a stable atmosphere. Due to there being an abundance of shade trees everywhere a constant cool temperature would prevail, thus preventing hurricanes, cyclones and the like. Also the animals would have remained peaceful with one another.
And you say, "If he [God] exists". If he doesn't exist then how do you explain the nose you have there between your eyes? Also, how do you explain the fact that you have 10 fingers and 10 toes? How do you explain the fact that you have a heart pumping inside your chest that never rests? And so many other things about the body that are too numerous to mention?
An atheist is nothing but a poor sap that refuses to see the reality of things. Evidence that God exists is literally everywhere, so much so that there is absolutely no excuse for not recognizing him.
one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
jookbeard says:
... the prospect of playing with ferocious animals that had become tame in a paradise earth even when I was a member of the R&F was ridiculous to me, utterly stupid ...
So what you're actually saying is that you prefer that animals remain ferocious, and you are rather fond of thistles, thorns, and storms that blow houses away and kill people.
You're either a troll OR you've got to be out of your mind. Its not normal to beg for pain and discomfort.
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one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
stillin said:
Death is a ripoff. Nobody knows what it is because nobody is alive to talk about it.
Right, the dead are not alive! So, then, we DO know what death is--it means the person is DEAD.
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one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
Replying to OnTheWayOut, Bad_wolf said:
If we truly are alone and everything happened by chance, and how rapid science is advancing, at some point I think extended life if not eternal life can be discovered.
That anyone would attribute something like eyesight or hearing ability to "chance" is astonishing!
And with regards to the idea that science might someday discover a way to make a person live forever, it ain't gonna happen and I'll tell you the reason why. What Adam & Eve needed in order to keep living without ever dying was to be able to periodically eat fruit from the Tree of Life, which is precisely the reason why God would not allow them to reenter the Garden. The fruit of the Tree of Life LITERALLY contained the nutrients that our bodies need in order to ward off the aging process. Adam & Eve were allowed to partake from the fruitage of this tree for as long as they were obedient to God's command. It was only the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad (TKGB) that they were not to eat. Did the fruit of the TKGB contain nutrients that would give them knowledge? No! Some people have mistakenly thought that if the fruit from the one tree literally affected Adam & Eve's longevity then the fruitage from the other tree should likewise have a literal affect (i.e. make them know what is good and what is bad). But there is no rule that requires that they both be either literal or figurative. What was meant is that when they ate the fruit from the TKGB they took to themselves the right to determine what was good and what was bad. The Creator is who has the right to say what is good and what is bad, what is okay and what is not okay. The Creator said that it was not okay to eat fruitage from the TKGB, and Eve then Adam decided for themselves that it was okay instead. But not long thereafter their consciences began to hurt and they hid from God. The fact that their consciences hurt shows that they weren't incorrigible. There remains hope for anyone who is not incorrigible. Something else that shows Adam & Eve were not incorrigibly bad was the fact that they taught Cain & Able to make sacrifices to God. That speaks well of them, and it gives good reason to believe that they will be resurrected. The only ones who won't be allowed to live forever will be those who prove to be incorrigibly bad. The Bible makes it clear who some of those are, namely Satan and the angels that made the decision to follow him. They are in line to suffer eternal destruction. God will snuff out their lives and they will never be seen again. It's certainly the height of stupidity to trade the opportunity to live forever for what amounts to a temporary lifespan while having it your way. Satan and his demon followers are real beings, and that is what they have done.
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one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
Bad-Wolf said:
Swat - tell him [God] to tell us what to do then. Old books written by men, changed, revised, no idea true source over thousands of years. Can't very well do what the almighty wants if he doesnt tell us anything.
Or do you believe group of men who have been wrong about everything and always flipflopping, etc, speak for him?
It cannot be truthfully said that the Watchtower Society (WTS) has been wrong about "everything".
For example, the WTS has always been correct in teaching that man does not have an immortal soul. The WTS correctly teaches that there is no consciousness after death.
Also the WTS correctly teaches that God is not a "trinity" and that Jesus was God's first creation.
The WTS correctly teaches that Jesus' original name is "Michael," and that he is in fact the one and only archangel.
The WTS correctly teaches that God purposed for Adam and Eve to have offspring, and that those also would have offspring, and so on until planet Earth was comfortably full.
The WTS correctly teaches that God purposed for the paradise of Eden to be expanded until there was a global paradise, and the WTS correctly teaches that that is still God's purpose.
The WTS correctly teaches that God has a personal name, and that it appears in the Hebrew Scriptures close to 7,000 times. And the WTS teaches that the exact pronunciation of God's name is unknown.
The WTS correctly teaches that true Christians should not participate in the wars between nations.
The WTS properly makes adjustments in teachings when necessary
Yes, the WTS is STILL wrong about some things--which is the reason I expect to see more adjustments in the future. And because the WTS is wrong about some things, and I am aware of it, I am forced to be inactive.
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one thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
John Proctor said: ". . . the JW religion prevents its members from actually living their lives now! They steal your life in exchange for a lie. Since leaving the religion I am able to actually live a real, authentic life."
That's the very same argument that Satan (the serpent) used when he spoke to Eve. He said that God lied and that she would be better off, have a better life, (i.e. "actually live a real, authentic life") by not listening to Him.
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