Posts by Steel

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The start of a rough patch ahead...

by confused3426 in

jw
friends

last night i told my mom my true feelings on the organization and what i've learned so far.

it all started from a conversation, we need to go visit the new headquarters.

my mom has been studying and just recently became an unbaptized publisher in the spanish cong.

Steel

There are some real great videos on YouTube about the concept of Jesus in the old testament and some great debates between Muslim and Christian scholars about the diety of Christ. They are not anti witness or evangelical in nature. Just straight about academic theology.

If she is not a baptize yet try and convince her to take a look. Once you start placing it together as long as you are sincere in your bible study, it makes it really hard to take the wts very serious.

Unfortunately most are just social clubwitnessed. Even the ones who cry and say don't you love jehovah.

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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

Steel

The argument against Jesus as God is kind of chicken and egg. If god comes to earth a fully human man is he really still god ?

Its really more a matter of manifestion or who new testament writers are referring too in the old testament. Instead of father and son there terms invisible and visible god should be used.

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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

Steel

It does kind of piss a guy off being shunned and insulted by people who call themselves the true Christians who in reality don't even have a basic understanding of Christianity or how the new testament fullfills the old.

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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

by Deaconblues1914 in

in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

jehovah has indeed blessed us.

Steel

The watchtower and tract society is a belief that Jesus only died for anointed Christians who can only be understood by the faithful slave.

You believe you only can obtain your salvation by obedience and works to men and the organization they lead.

Unclean idol worship

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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

by Deaconblues1914 in

in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

jehovah has indeed blessed us.

Steel

I really doubt outside of your pre-planned organizational boasting package , you could even pass a basic university level biblical theology course.

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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

by Deaconblues1914 in

in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

jehovah has indeed blessed us.

Steel

Explain the book of John and why it's different than the other gossips?

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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

by Deaconblues1914 in

in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

jehovah has indeed blessed us.

Steel

I do believe in God Jesus and the bible and there is a day coming when you phony baloney cults will be wiped off the face of the earth.

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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

by Deaconblues1914 in

in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

jehovah has indeed blessed us.

Steel

You are nothing but an unpaid telemarketer in a club teaching a false gossip who worships a golden calf called the governing body.

FUCK YOU

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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

Steel

About a year old I got into the concept of Jesus in the old testament. I never really thought of Jesus in the old testament. I actually watched a debate between a former Muslim named Sam Shamoon ( I think I spelled it right ) and Islamic cleric. It kind of turned me on to researching the idea. Its all on youtube.

When you really dig into the guts of the old testament and see all the weird stuff like god speaking to god or god is invisible but he appears in physical manifestion . Its really hard to describe and I don't claim to be an expert on the subject but there is a lot more going on than the WTS would like us to believe.

Once you start understanding this stuff and I am not too sure if it can fully be understood by finite human brains, and what is being referenced in the new testament, it really is kind of cool. If anything it really shows you the dishonestly of the nwt.

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Sister at Kingdom Hall visibly upset "they took jehovahs name out of song"

by hoser in

jw
friends

i went to meeting today and the sister in front of me was upset song 134 now song 139 no longer contains jehovahs name.

they took it out.

i never even noticed .

Steel

I have an uncle who is a pastor in a prison. It's a pretty sweet gig cause he is actually a federal employee complete with pension and benefits.

All he had to do was spend nine years in university and bible school.

It just laughable that people think saying the word jehovah is what Christianity is all about.