It is certainly worth a try, but don't expect much. I had to show my wife from a WT that the JW's teach that there was a global flood in 2370BC(E). She didn't believe it (that they would print such nonsense). I agreed it was nonsense and then explained how such nonsense would be an instant turn-off to anyone who showed even the slightest interest in discussing the bible with her. Once they heard that, they wouldn't hear anything else she was talking about. It was always extremely embarrasing to me.
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Is asking questions of logic about a Global Flood effective in waking loved ones?
by BU2B ini was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
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'Evolution' of the Creative Days length
by Syme inwe all know that wts likes to distance itself from the young earth creationists, who believe in the literal 6-day creation.. so are we supposed to be something fundamentally different from the yecs?
not so much.... i did some research some time ago about what the society believes abouth the length of the creative days.
this is what i found:.
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I could never figure out why they insisted that all the creative days had to be equal in length. Much of the WT historical view of the world is still stuck somehere in the thinking of the late 18th century despite their claims to being a progressive organization.
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Jamaican Branch Office Closing
by jw07 ini'm from jamaica, montego bay to be exact.
if there are other jamaicans here, feel free to let me know.. with that said, it was announced at our last meeting (a letter was read) that the branch office (bethel) in kingston would be closing, and affairs would soon be directed from us hq.
now the branch office here is a large compound built on acres of prime real estate.
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I feel really bad for these people getting kicked to the curb (hate the ones doing the kicking). It is hard enough for those having worked and competed in this 'system' for many years to continue to put food on the table. Even with a decent education. Now imagine having no education (talking some kind of degree) or real-world work experience and suddenly finding yourself thrust out into the cold. It seems their only hope is to try and find work thru their network of 'brothers'. Hopefully they didn't annoy too many in their previous existence as an elite bethelite.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the new compund they are building in NY was actually a retirement-care home for all those who had honestly devoted their lives to kingdom service! Or pehaps, it could also have included an educational facility (non-theocratic) to help retrain those who suddenly find themselves with no marketable skills , simply because they got taken in by the 'end is near' hokum. I know, what am I thinking...
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I AM CONFUSED WITH THE JAN STUDY EDITION?? Help me
by Sittingstraight1212 in2 jehovah will use the kingdom to unify his family in heav- en and on earth.
that divine purpose will be realized.
(isa.
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I thought the same thing when I first saw that. I think they just like to mix it up a bit. I don't think it would take much searching in WT lib to find something opposite and more along the lines of what you and I remember. But I am 'evidently' an appostate, so don't trust me. Better to do some research in pre-approved WT sources. See MS book for the list.
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Egyptian Timeline Research
by konceptual99 inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23947820.
it is suggesting that the accepted dates for the egyptian timelines need to change.
does anyone have a more informed and scholarly view on this?.
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@Comatose: Of course you know via your JW education that there were no Egyptians before the flood and for that matter not until after that unfortunate incident at the tower of Babel. Perhaps some of the demon-influenced, pre-flood inhabitants of the land built the original pyramids and then after the TOB, the people who now spoke what we call the Egyptian language attempted to mimic earlier creations they found that survived the flood. That might explain why later pyramids were smaller and inferior to the older examples.
Also, your sarcastic comments would infer that somehow the purpose behind the flood failed in that within 100 years people were again doing exactly what they were not supposed to be doing. ROTFLOL... I have no idea how the writers of this stuff (in the WT and Awake) could actually write this stuff without killing themselves for the level of dishonesty and ignorance that they propagate.
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Egyptian Timeline Research
by konceptual99 inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23947820.
it is suggesting that the accepted dates for the egyptian timelines need to change.
does anyone have a more informed and scholarly view on this?.
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Thanks for the link. One of my favorite topics. It seems like they are not changing when the civilization as a unified state began (I always read around 3000BC) but how quickly it happened as compared to the Mesopotamian region. Am I reading that correctly?
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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I agree with you Steve2. Here in Poland they are still very positive but it has to do mainly with growth in foreign language field.
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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?
by nicolaou inthis topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .
.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.
the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.
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That is going to be one of my favorite charts for a long time (maybe not so long given the GB's propensity to make stuff up). But seriously. That is just so pathetic. I would have just as much success convincing anyone with the tiniest bit of education that WWII 'evidently' ended in 1995. Why? Because the GB says so...
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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From Study 40 in the MS book: Accuracy of Statement
Checking the Accuracy of Information. Current events, quotations, and experiences can be helpful when you are illustrating and applying certain points. How can you be sure that they are accurate? One way is by extracting such items from reliable sources. Remember to check that the information is up-to-date. Statistics become obsolete; scientific discoveries are quickly surpassed; and as man grows in understanding of history and ancient languages, conclusions based on previous knowledge need to be revised.
But we never do that, in a way to agree with new 'wordly' understandings... We only revise stuff when we see fit (or need to in order to COA).
Seriously, the MS book is a work of art (only not in a good way). The chapters on research and study are classics in group control.
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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@Konceptual99: yea, that quote about Abraham really got me started when I first saw it. According to WT history, there were no Egyptians before the Tower of Babel. So all of Egyptian history was compressed into the time from post 2269 to when Abraham arrived. That is most amazing. It is also interesting how they mention how advanced the city of Ur was when discussing Abraham's departure to live in tents, but no mention of the fact that Sumeria had 1000 years of history as a dominant civiization prior to that. Sure we don't know exact dates, but we do know that most of it happened earlier than 2370. The whole subject was always so embarassing to me. I prayed nobody would bring up the subject at the door when I was in.
So no wonder witnesses are demoralized. It is not healthy trying to maintain multiple versions of 'truth' in your mind simultaneously.