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  Going Through A Box Of Old Photo's. Found This...

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. child-abuse

  jw wedding early 1980s and where they are now.... .

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  konceptual99

  Hey Pale. Very interesting photo but are you sure that those you've listed as PIMO would be happy for their photo to be out there on t'internet?
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  Let's talk about Blood again....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. medical

  i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

  something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

  an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

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  konceptual99

  The blood issue was one of the key factors in my awakening and remains one of my favourite topics as it is nothing more than a completely illogical mess.

  You have a symbol that is worth more than the thing it symbolises.

  You have arbitrary rules with no scriptural backing that determine what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

  You have outrageous logical inconsistencies like refusing to donate blood because it should be poured out yet be perfectly happy to accept fractions of blood that have come from blood donated by others.

  You have repeated straining of the gnat with semantics to try and justify the unjustifiable.

  You have a policy so complex that people don't really know what it is they can do and default to the most lenient interpretation depending on what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable. So much for conscience.

  When the issue raises it's head then they need a cohort of heavies to try and intervene in people's personal treatments, What's worse is that individuals seek the advice of the HLC ahead of their medical consultants. One day the elder could be making arguments about medical procedures to a sick Witness and the same HLC elder could be coming round to wash the windows of the consultant the next day.

  If an individual takes a conscience decision not to have treatments like cell salvage they are treated like a pariah for creating questions in the minds of the experts about what Witnesses really believe.

  Finally no one can say what the policy shall be tomorrow. What is acceptable today may be unacceptable or, more likely, what is unacceptable becomes acceptable. Life changing decisions are being made on a policy that has changed out of all context over time and no doubt will continue to do so.

  Thanks to the entrenched nature of GB thinking, however, I think it's more likely that we would see change to the understanding of 1914 than the retraction of the prohibition of blood transfusions.
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  Jah Jireh Care Homes

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

  they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

  these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

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  konceptual99

  It's not illegal to provide a charitable service to a specific group of people.

  What is questionable is the question on the employment application form about being a JW. It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of religion and strictly speaking, it's not even permissible to ask someone about their religion in an interview.

  I don't know if there is some loophole or dispensation that they have found in the employment laws but AFAIK they aren't allowed to do what they are doing.
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  Jah Jireh Care Homes

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

  they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

  these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

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  Is that Ray Pople from Kent or another guy?
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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  konceptual99

  Same as with a DFed marriage mate.
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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  konceptual99

  There is no restriction on talking to DFed children living at home just so long as it's not "spiritual".
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  Last nights CLAM meeting

  by dbq407 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.

  so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.

  they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.

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  konceptual99

  Makes me wish I'd gone tonight. Except it doesn't.
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  Jah Jireh Care Homes

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

  they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

  these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

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  This is the most recent report which superceeds the unsatisfactory one...

  http://www.cqc.org.uk/sites/default/files/new_reports/AAAE2605.pdf
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  in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction

  by Magnum in

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  2. scandals

  so, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.

  on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?

  was it for more and/or better control?

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  I wonder if we will ever know if the presentation and especially that slide were deliberate lies from the WTS or if they simply had been lead by their bollocks a bit too much and then realised that there was a plan B?

  Pure speculation but I wonder if there was in fact some voices promoting the current downsize, money grab etc but they had been shouted down by the GB (esp AM3) following the old school hubris? Then there was some big issue with cash and the accountants/consultants/forward thinkers got their way.
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  Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.

  family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.

  set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.

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  konceptual99

  Given the BFI and BBC Films support I would not be surprised to see this on the BBC or possibly Channel 4 at some point, especially if it has limited cinema exposure.