Posts by konceptual99

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Does Anyone Know The "Real" Attitude That JWs Have Towards "Inactive Ones"?

by minimus in

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does the rank and file or the elders view us as disassociated or disfellowshipped or simply "weak" or possibly a "prodigal son" type?.

konceptual99

It really depends.

Some people will basically shun anyone who they perceive of as being weak. Others will always at least be friendly.

Some will moderate their behaviour towards you based on what they think or know you to be doing in your life. If you are keeping very quiet, not doing things that might get you DFed then they might treat you better than if the opposite is true.

If they are family or former close friends then they may behave differently to others.

I think the worst is becoming known as someone with a gripe. That really does get you marked out to be avoided and, of course, you don't actually have to be moaning about anything at all. Simply asking a question or raised a point of criticism can be enough. They simply cannot cope with someone even very quietly simply saying "I don't accept this as a The Truth any more". It has to become something based around bitterness and complaint.

Illness or work dragging you away is OK but logical thought is not.

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What Irony! Another Hall Closure!

by freddo in

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note these excerpts from awake!

articles: (bold italics mine).

*** g93 9/8 pp.

konceptual99

The valleys are still grim then...

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BRITAIN ZONE VISIT - 18th March 2017

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

a. llewellyn – wt summary (“why modesty still matters”).

i won’t go into this much as an individual can read it for themselves and conclude as s(he) sees fit.

what i would say however, is that i remember llewellyn using phrases like “knowing your place in jehovah’s organisation” and “taking care not to act presumptuously”.

konceptual99

Thanks for the summary NK. I was thinking of doing one but I fell asleep in the WT. I had to smile through the stats and mentioned to my wife that I thought it was notable they did not mention that all that time spent had only had a net increase of less than 30 people.

I thought the talk was boring and wondered why he had bothered as well. Of course his real mission is to kick the branch into touch and remind the local committee they have to get rid of loads of people.

I can't wait to see the next video on Chelmsford. It will be amazing to see how lots of money + volunteer labour + outside contractors enables a building to be constructed over a period of several years. I suspect this is something that all the big contractors should be taking note of as they seem to struggle with similar engineering projects. I really don't know how they managed buildings like The Shard or engineering feats like the Channel Tunnel without Jehovah's blessing.

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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

by jwleaks in

all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

exhibit list.

joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

konceptual99

konceptual99 how do you feel that the transparency and cohesion should be rectified?

It really is simple RO.

Right now you have at least five levels.

The R&F have to read a bunch of articles from numerous publications to get a message that "child abuse is bad, we hate it" but not a lot else.

The elders have to read their manual, a bunch of letters and their own hand written notes to get a message that they should call the legal desk and follow what they are told to do.

Branches have to read their own manual which contains yet more process designed to protect the WTS.

The courts and bodies like the ARC get to listen to obsfucation and weasel words from people like Spinks and o'Toole.

The public get to see and read very little other than self certifying summaries on the website.

There is no single document that clearly documents the WTS policy on how they protect children, manage risk and respond to allegations of abuse.

The fact they are a global organisation operating in many jurisdictions makes no difference. The policy can be the same and allow for the local branch to advise elders on local requirements. It just needs to be visible to all. It just needs to be clear.

Is that too much to ask?

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Why I Refused To Go To Gay Son's Wedding EXCLUSIVE

by darkspilver in

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front page of the sunshine coast daily, friday 17 march 2017. yvonne, the mother of chris on bride and prejudice, has for the first time explained why she couldn't attend her gay son's wedding.

https://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/bride-and-prejudice-mum-denies-sons-church-control/3155773/.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5714189639221248/_post/5672317399072768.

konceptual99

The WTS has a written policy of involvement in choices ones make about wedding attendance. Showing support for a wedding of those getting married "out of the Lord" will likely result in losing privileges.

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Child Abuse Telememo

by Bangalore in

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bangalore.

konceptual99

The work you have done Barbara is right up there as some of the most important in exposing WT hypocrisy. Thank you.

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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

by jwleaks in

all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

exhibit list.

joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

konceptual99

Quite Smiddy. It's good to see any improvements in the WTS policies but they still have failed to bring things together in a single, publicly available document.

I have no problem with their two witness rule concerning internal sanctions. I have no problem with them referring to legal to check obligations. I have no problem with them managing different territories in specific ways.

i have a big problem with the lack of cohesion and transparency. IMHO there are still many opportunities for local circumstances and the process followed in specific cases to fail victims.

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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

by jwleaks in

all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

exhibit list.

joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

konceptual99

Do you have a link for those documents RO please?

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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

by jwleaks in

all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

exhibit list.

joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

konceptual99

So in similar fashion, yes the Watchtower policy does not state that those that watch Child Pornography must be reported to the police in that section, you have to look at the full policy together. It does state that if either the elder or the branch feel that the child is still in danager, then they are to report the matter.

I don't think the policy does state this does it? I think all we have have is some words to the ARC. I may be wrong, but I don't think this has made it into any official policy yet?

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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

by jwleaks in

all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

exhibit list.

joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

konceptual99

We are not talking about each and every law. We are not talking about reporting a criminal activity because the law mandates you to. We are talking about an institutional child protection policy. We are talking about how an organisation responds when they become aware of an allegation of child abuse, and yes, I include the viewing of child pornography in this.

Any of these activities are criminal. Some, such as consensual sexual activity between older teens, may fall into a grey area in terms of where paedophilia is concerned but it's for the authorities to make that judgement.

An organisation can choose to adopt processes that go beyond what is required by the law to ensure that they reduce the risk of abuse taking place or continuing once it is exposed. Why the WTS seems to be so backward in all of this is beyond me.

The WTS is never going to held up to scrutiny for not reporting someone speeding but if they fail to report allegations of sexual abuse or the viewing of child pornography then then deserve all the criticism they receive.

Making pedantic points like some know it all 6th form gobshite does you no favours RO.