Posts by konceptual99

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

So you have a non-interventionist who starts the process and then does one? What's the point of even believing in such a waste of space? Where did he leave off tinkering with the universe? Astro-physics shows no nudging of planetary motions by an unknown third party.

What influence does this deity have on our lives? Does it have some plan? If not then there is no point worrying about whatever it is.

Next you'll be claiming we're all just part of some universal computer program, running in the background like a forgotten cron job.

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

Do you really, honestly need this spelling out?

I understand why you might conclude there is some supernatural involvement in the patterns we see around us. It's the same mental process as to why, when I was mentally in as I Witness, I followed the "logic" that the beauty in the natural world gave evidence that there was a benevolent creator.

The problem with that thinking process is that you then have to account for all the bad stuff that happens. Witnesses brush it off with one of the following:

- time and unforeseen occurrence

- mankind's inability to manage his own affairs outside of supervision by God

- universal "justice" and the question of sovereignty

These are diversions that quickly lose any relevance once the WT narrative to the Bible is deconstructed, a process that happens quite quickly when one frees one's mind from the mental shackles of the doctrine. For those outside of the WTS doctrine framework but still convinced in the existence of some supernatural influence the dichotomy still exists - you can't use the good stuff to claim it demonstrates God's love and existence without accepting his responsibility for allowing the bad stuff.

After my awakening from the WTS mental sleep I have found it impossible to reconcile this, especially since the more I investigate about how science explains so much of the natural processes around us, the less need there is for a God to be involved at all.

This is the message behind the sunrise over a tsunami - any God who apparently designs sunsets for our pleasure, blesses requests to find lost keys or helps people win at sport, yet cannot intervene to stop over 200,000 people being swept away in minutes, prevent cancer killing 1000s each day or permits a world of pain and suffering just to win a bet with a ventriloquist spirit being is indeed a c***.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

konceptual99

Great video cantleave.

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Letter to Britain Branch - re 'Shunning policy'

by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM in

jm............................ watchtower .

the ridgeway.

london.

konceptual99

Thanks for sharing but you do realise letters like this get dumped in the bin as soon as they are opened and the first line read.

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

Prologos.... WTF are you talking about?

The recent past has seen extraordinary levels of woo and mumbo jumbo. Every opportunity for rational debate about the existence and influence of deity has deteriorated into pseudo science, numerolgy, philosophical jerk offs and, ultimately, utter bollocks. Every time this is instigated by those claiming some supernatural influence.

Why is it impossible for anyone who has some belief in a deity to frame their reasoning with rational and logical thinking? Is this not some massive red flag?

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New Dutch Assembly Hall Swifterbant - 17 September 2016

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

a new 2,500 seater assembly hall in the netherlands - which expands to 3,500 seats for the annual conventions - is being dedicated on saturday 17 september 2016.. the existing hall on the site is converted into a venue for the wt schools - lecture room with ancillary accomodation - bedrooms, kitchen, canteen, study areas etc etc.

background information:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/261089/big-jw-changes-netherlands-holland.

konceptual99

Expect to see more of this. I am convinced they will use assembly hall facilities for RCs more and more. I note this is very utilitarian - it looks like a warehouse. Cheap to build and very easily flipped if needed.

I also note the two guys, presumably brothers, are not wearing suits and ties.

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Reason's why it is so difficult to leave

by Truthexplorer in

1. concerns about the effects it would have on yours and your family's social life.. 2. fear of being shunned.

3. the stress it will cause.

4. the thought of feeling isolated.

konceptual99

I agree in principle with the reasons and the overall philosophy of "whatever works". I am in the situation of a long, long fade and see my own rationalisation in much of what has been posted above.

The problem I have with myself is that I basically feel that now I am simply not being true to myself and my family. I'm not really pushing my real feelings and essentially I am being dishonest with myself and those around me. Right now it feels like a limbo and the person responsible for it is me.

For example... the other day my wife and I had a meal out and one of the courses included black pudding. I had no problem eating it yet my wife said nothing. She's not challenged me on it at all. I think she is accepts that my lack of belief in the blood policy but does not want to discuss it as it will lead on to a much larger discussion. The time and place might not have been right for us but now this is just something in the past. She's not challenging it and I'm not using it as a chance to open a conversation.

In the meantime I keep the peace with irregular meeting attendance and never upsetting the apple cart with our friends and family. Whose the fool? Whose not getting what they really want?

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

I'm not complaining Prologos. The cycle of death to support life is natural, even if we as a species have turned it into an industrial process.

My point is that you can't, unlike our former JW selves, use some perceived pattern or beauty in nature to support the idea of a deity without accepting that that deity must also take responsibility for the crap that is handed out as well.

The sunrise was no doubt beautiful over Thailand the morning of the tsunami....

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

PS:I am fascinated by all this because if there is a creator, the track record he has left behind is the only really evidence we can access

Yup, his track record in allowing an overwhelming amount of pain and suffering to persist over 1000's of years tells me that if he exists then he's a c***.

136

Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

konceptual99

Someone voted me down. At least that's what they thought they did. In my world all numbers mean whatever I want them to mean. Thanks for the glowing endorsement.

Prove that I am wrong with your NASA numbers.