Posts by konceptual99

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UK: Would anyone like to attend Frank Otuo's next hearing against the Watchtower? Or send him your support?

by defender of truth in

www.standard.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-sues-for-150000-after-church-snubbed-him-over-fraud-claims-9750062.htmlfrank otuo is suing the watchtower for disfellowshipping him and causing the loss of his family and his friends, after being disfellowshipped based on a false accusation of fraud.on friday may 13th 2016, a hearing will take place to decide whether the watchtower's defence will be thrown out.otuo is confident that it will be.

;)would anyone like to be there on the day, to see what happens and maybe even report back and tell us what you saw?.

otuo would like it if some people could be there to cheer him on, as it were.

konceptual99

So if I understand you correctly @akromo....

Morley lent money to a business owned by Otuo and another Witness ("Fred").
The money was lent with a clear business agreement at 8%. Presumably Morley would have been aware of the risk he might lose his money and this was allowed for in the contract.
Otuo sold his shares in the business to Fred with the agreement that creditors including Morley would be paid.
Fred refuses to pay back creditors including Morley.
Otuo sues Fred for breach of contract (namely the agreement made when the shares were sold)
Fred pays Morley back in full.
Morley accuses Otuo of fraud, takes it to the elders and the elders DF Otuo.
Bugger all happens to Fred

Have I got it correct?

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Sanderson Patronises Ex-Bethelites

by konceptual99 in

don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about..... http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_video.

mark sanderson: accept change with faith and confidence (heb.

basically sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed.

konceptual99

Not to mention the increasing use of temporary/commuter bethel labour. This has the double bubble win for the WTS as (a) each one pays their own way and (b) the faithful jump at the chance to have this type of "privilege".

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Sanderson Patronises Ex-Bethelites

by konceptual99 in

don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about..... http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_video.

mark sanderson: accept change with faith and confidence (heb.

basically sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed.

konceptual99

Don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about....

http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_VIDEO

Mark Sanderson: Accept Change With Faith and Confidence (Heb. 13:17)

Basically Sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed. He uses all the normal examples of Moses, Abraham, Jesus and then his own example of being asked to start a new assignment on Monday morning by the GB on the Friday afternoon.

This is all well and good but he is forgetting one thing. Most of the Bethelites that have had their assignments changed actually have had them stopped. They have lost their jobs. They have been told to make it as pioneers if they can. Special pioneers have had their stipends removed and been demoted. DOs and those over 70 have been sidelined and told to get on with it.

His new assignment involved him jetting off to the Philippines for a few years then coming back to be graced with the top job. He didn't have to try and find work after being institutionalised for decades. He wasn't told that he was entering in to the best career into the world only to be tossed aside at a moments notice with less workers rights than an illegal immigrant.

I really hope there are ex-Bethelites the world over watching this and sticking their fingers up to this patronising nonsense.

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

konceptual99

I agree with the principle of what you are saying WSICMS, I just don't think the University was prepared for any fallout from his interview, perhaps had little knowledge of it and didn't know Cedars from Adam. If it was one or more large media organisations on the phone repeatedly and/or if there was some more publicity amongst the public at large, plus if it was being portrayed as the position of the University then perhaps there might be a more robust statement.

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JWs' love to brag about preaching but.....

by pleaseresearch in

if what they are preaching about is untrue and false, does it really count?

i mean over the 100 years plus we have been going, how much of what we taught was absolute crap.

how many things taught about never came true.

konceptual99

I tried to create a list of things that the modern day (i.e. CTR forward) Witnesses genuinely prophesied ahead of time and got right.

I have copied out below....

1. errrr......

2. thats it.

Can anyone help me?

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

konceptual99

I think he's lucky to get anything at all. Unless the reputation of the University was at risk or there was some aspect of gross misconduct then why the hell would the media department feel the need to issue a statement criticising a member of the faculty, especially someone unknown to them without even the backup of representing a recognised media organisation.

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Model Jw family?

by MrTheocratic in

i would like to get the opinion of those on this community.

does serving as an elder make one a bad family man.

with all the demands placed on those serving... how can one make time for family life?

konceptual99

I converted it and indeed it was a binary answer.

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Special Talk from the GB?

by punkofnice in

a current jw told me there was going to be a special talk (tm) from the governing body(r) next month.

apart from the usual hilarious jw tv stuff, i haven't heard of anything.. any info any one?

the jw didn't seem to know much either.

konceptual99

It wouldn't surprise me freddo.

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Frank Otuo is he a con man or are we to support him.

by joe134cd in

a couple of things first: .

-nothing would bring me more pleasure than seeing wt getting stung in a costly law suite.. - please forgive me but i have only briefly read the court documents.

so this brings me to my question.

konceptual99

Reading between the lines, the elders destroyed the letter on the basis that under DPA laws they had no need to keep it. This most likely would either have been after the DF was confirmed by the branch or at the end the year as a result of the yearly reminder to rid the files of as much "superfluous" paperwork as possible. There is of course the chance that once the legal action was initiated the file was checked and purged either unilaterally by the local elders or on instruction from the branch or CO. Who knows...?

As I say, there is plenty of evidence of typical kangaroo tactics by the elders on the JC but for me the question still remains as to what were the circumstances that lead to an accusation being made and could this undermine Mr. Otuo's position and credibility?

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Special Talk from the GB?

by punkofnice in

a current jw told me there was going to be a special talk (tm) from the governing body(r) next month.

apart from the usual hilarious jw tv stuff, i haven't heard of anything.. any info any one?

the jw didn't seem to know much either.

konceptual99

In the UK it's from the branch. Everyone other than local bethelites will stream the talk to their local hall either in real time or another point over the weekend.