Posts by konceptual99

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BOE 2016-01-05 Re: Index to Letters for Bodies of Elders

by wifibandit in

letter.

index.

konceptual99

Great work. Are all the letters available online in one place?

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S.A.D. Observations from the assembly.

by Darkknight757 in

so we had brother losch visiting our special assembly day which was weird in itself.

he's not a very good speaker and seemed like he was in dire need of a nap or something.. anyways just a few observations from the assembly program.

theme: imitate their faith.

konceptual99

Interesting regarding costs. I assume this is a JW assembly hall. I don't know what the US costs are but $24,000 sounds like a crazy amount. What was the attendance?

One small point - the SAD no longer exists. You get two x one day CA now.

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Bethel layoffs of oldies

by I am a Bible Student in

is this true?

has anyone heard of it?

saw it on my facebook.. "jan. 6 bethel update 108 elderly bethelites getting the boot.. brooklyn, ny.

konceptual99

The OP is talking about Worldwide HQ. I am talking about info received from UK Bethelite in past few days concerning overall numbers going in the British branch.

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Bethel layoffs of oldies

by I am a Bible Student in

is this true?

has anyone heard of it?

saw it on my facebook.. "jan. 6 bethel update 108 elderly bethelites getting the boot.. brooklyn, ny.

konceptual99

British branch is being reduced by 25%. Absolute first hand fact. I don't know the make-up of the lay offs.

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Un shunning

by zeb in

with change looming large on the horizon what will those people do who make a wt/career of shunning should it become just a 'conscience issue'.

What relationship does shunning have with tax? You can try and promote shunning as a human rights issue but you can't force someone to talk to another person. There are clear rules around how a disfellowshipped person should be treated and it's made clear in the questions reviewed before baptism. You join the club knowing the terms of membership.

Of course it can be argued that shunning produces a framework of mental coercion to ensure compliance but equally no one is physically prevented from leaving. No one physically forces you to go to the meetings. Jehovah's Witnesses are by no means the only religious organisation that have shunning. There are loads of other organisations that have charitable status with far more extreme views. If you tried to tax the JWs for having some practices that are not the most liberal and inclusive in the world then it's going to have massive implications.

I think it's a hard enough job to try and question the charitable status of Jehovah's Witnesses on high profile questions like charitable works and child abuse policies. Imagine the field day WT lawyers would have fighting restrictions based on shunning.

Punk is absolutely right - until not shunning brings in more money that shunning then it's use as a control tool fair outweighs anything else.

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Hello, I'm new here too!

by redpilltwice in

jw
friends

hi everybody, 1st post here.

20 years jw, elder for 6 years, regular pioneer for 3 years, have always been following the 2012 candace conti abuse case with much interest, especially since the case suddenly disappeared from www.watchtower.com's news section (thanks brother j. r. brown, office of public information, because it led me to "worldly" websites for more info), leading to more and more dissatisfaction , leading to jwfacts, jwsurvey, ad1914, wtdocuments etc., leading to my awakening about 4 months ago, now fading faster and faster to zero meetings and zero field service...and you know what?

it feels good!.

konceptual99

Welcome!

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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

by slimboyfat in

recent developments make me think they might be.

the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

konceptual99

The respect for the organisation and it's leaders is diminishing.

I hear regular negative comments about GB members like Lett and Morris. The new song last night literally had many laughing and doing joke chorus girl moves.

The veil has been lifted on these morons.

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Dis-association Vs Inactivity

by Listener in

is it just me or is this just really bad double talk?.

9.372 moreover, the suggested finding has no connection with preventing or responding to child sexual abuse and, furthermore, appears not to appreciate the difference between disassociation and inactivity.

as was explained, if someone decides to no longer associate with jehovahs witnesses that is a personal decision and no disciplinary action is taken against that person.

konceptual99

Whilst the WTS is more than happy to twist definitions and use semantics to wriggle away from criticisms they hate it when the same tactic is used against them.

As has been pointed out, fading away into inactivity might be permitted in as much as the elders leaving you alone is concerned but be under no illusion - you remain a baptised Witness in their eyes. If there is good reason to use that against you or your family who remain "in" then they will do so.

Writing a letter arguing semantics will have zero effect when they catch you celebrating Christmas 5 years down the line.

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Have you got a cow that you could sell ?

by pepperheart in

have you got a cow that you could sell for the gb they really really need the money

konceptual99

The rank and file really are now the org's cash cow...

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any JW construction going on other than Warwick?

by Magnum in

is anybody aware of any kingdom hall builds going on or any kind of ldc activity?

i've been wanting to ask this, and committeechairman's question at the end of this thread, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/289353/ldc-semininar?page=4&size=20, moved me to go ahead and ask.. i've kind of wondered whether the org leaders got rid of rbcs and instituted the ldc arrangement because they wanted to be able to stop or slow down construction without it being obvious.

if the rbcs were still in existence, it would be obvious that there's nothing (or almost nothing) going on (if that really is the way it is) because rbc personnel would be idle when they were used to being busy.

konceptual99

Chelmsford is moving ahead however it may be a while before things ramp up on site again. They have done much of the access roads, site clearance and preparation. They have held off most (maybe all) groundworks due to changing the plans. Many long term volunteers have been released from their assignment.

From what I can tell talking to contacts they are working through changing the designs to take into account the reduction in Bethel staff (-25%) and removal some of the "luxuries" like sports facilities and larger laundry and catering areas.

You can now count on one hand the number of projects the worldwide design team are working on. Warwick and Chelmsford are two of them.