are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
d4g
I agree the policy is a mess but are there documented cases in the past 5-10 years where parents have been disfellowshipped for slander (or some other kangaroo court charge) on the basis of going to the authorities?
The WT policy on there being no sanctions for this action has been in place for a long time so any proven cases would be very interesting to any future prosecutor.
i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.
where did the watchtower dig her up from.
her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.
I suspect it's a combination of things.
Her qualifications are a little minor league on the surface but she has worked in the field for a long time and clearly has built up some competence in helping organisations build awareness and improve procedures. I suspect she has found a niche and exploited it.
I think she has been slightly hoodwinked by the WTS. I think she has been convinced to accept a WTS view of their child protection policy and has never been engaged to do a grass roots analysis. I think she has probably been swayed by opportunity to make some good cash without needing to do a lot of work. If this is true it does not reflect well on her. Her lack of preparation for the Commission add weight to this perception.
I also have a suspicion that she has went into the session with some trepidation on the basis that she probably looked at the testimony to date and realised her report and opinions would be questioned far more rigorously than expected as well as possibly becoming aware that the WTS policy was in fact far less supportable than she imagined.
I seriously doubt she will be working for the WTS again.
by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .
part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.
i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
Dr. Applewhite is no idiot and has significant credentials when it comes to working organisations and examining their child abuse policies.
http://www.parkdietzassociates.com/spotlight-on-pda-expert-monica-applewhite-ph-d/
I would bet money that her engagement with the WTS has not been to do a detailed analysis of policy and procedure but simply to provide another opinion that various cases of child abuse could not reasonably have been expected to be the fault of the organisation.
Regardless, it was clear from her evidence that she had not done a detailed and objective analysis of the WT policy on handling child abuse. She clearly had not investigated lots of cases and critically examined the "root causes". She clearly has not provided the WTS with a detailed report on problems that have occurred and what must be done to improve the situation, as she has done on other circumstances.
She has been shown numerous articles and publications that raise the awareness of the issue. Kudos to the WTS - some of these go back a fair while. She has been spun a yarn about how seriously the WTS takes this.
I bet you any money she offered the WTS a proper consultative process and the WTS turned her down knowing they would need to change. I bet you any money they basically gave her a wad of cash and as little info as possible and said "tell us what you think" knowing she would say "well this is all good stuff".
She's taken the money and not done her homework, probably because she was never engaged to do her homework and would never have been given the access she needed to do a proper job.
She's been sold a lemon but I expect if she really knew what she was walking into she would not have taken the job. She took the money without considering she might actually be asked some difficult questions. She believed the story she was told and did not ask questions because it was easy money.
I still don't think there is a deeper conspiracy here to deliberately put an "expert" witness up on the stand knowing they are going to fail. What purpose does that serve?
I also don't see what it has to do with the WTS not taking a qualified lawyer into Bethel because she is a woman. I don't doubt it, just can't see the relevance to Dr. Applewhite.
i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/she-spoke-about-jehovahs-witness-abuse-and-her-home-was-vandalized/i've been watching this gal all week too in addition to the rc developments in australia.
they just ran an article about her yesterday, and she found this vandalism this morning.
i hope it's not staged because that would hurt her credibility, but they ran with this story today:.
are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
Why didn't any of the elders in that case (Dino Ali, Joe Bello, Max Horley) go to the police?
Because, by his own admission, Dino Ali would not even report a murder. He'd call Bethel.
are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
I know exactly what you are saying d4g. I think the real indicator will be how the heavyweights handle things next week. The elders so far are chaff as far as the GB are concerned, they have far more astute and capable people coming up.
I agree that plan A is do nothing. I stilll think the intensity of the investigation and its potential outcome might have caught the GB with their pants down (so to speak) and they might need a plan B just in case.
even cnn has picked up the ongoing royal commission hearings.
i'm sitting back and eating popcorn for this one, it's like a dream come through.. http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.
Hate to disagree with such esteemed posters but I don't think the the hubris of the current GB extends to them playing the GT card. Cross that bridge and you cannot come back from it.
