CoC definitely helped me be more open to questioning things but the doubts were there already.
I don't think we shall ever see anyone in the GB do what Ray did ever again.
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Ray Franz and You.
by John Aquila inif ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.
would we have come this far?.
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Child Abuse - "I don't care. I haven't got any children".
by cofty inearlier this week i bumped into a couple of jws who i recognised from the cult cart.
a few months ago i had a long conversation with him one of them and found him to be quite friendly.
he is new to the area in the years since i left.. this time he was very defensive and said he wasn't allowed to talk to me.
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konceptual99
The argument about parents is one I am starting to hear from dubs to deflect responsibility away from the organisation. I am sure that in some cases abuse may not had happened or been less extensive had parents been less trusting with members of the congregation. However this does not mean you simply blame the parents.
Peadophiles become masters of subterfuge and manipulation. There is a reason the preparation of a child for abuse is called "grooming". The process is not limited to the child, it extends to the family and friends to enable abuse to occur. Often abusers are within the close or extended family, even parents.
I am sure there is not one parent of an abused child that does not look back and wish they had done things differently, regrets actions they made or decisions they took that in some way enabled an abuser to harm their child but to start blaming parents above the abuser is simply unfair and only deflects away from the real problem.
The WTS is allowing an over simplification of the cause of the problem to become a stock response. They are happy to let R&F Witnesses blame parents and become all indignant that parents or the victim have relied on the elders and not gone straight to the authorities. This kind of apologist nonsense has no place here.
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Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?
by stuckinarut2 inso witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".
it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.
after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?
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konceptual99
A great post which has double bubble bonus points for a fantastic response from Terry.
We really should have a "Lurkers Must Read" forum with links to threads like this one.
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Elderly sister disgusted with obscene Bethel 'Happy Song'
by Esse quam videri init is reported that one elderly sister in british columbia expressed complete disgust at what she considered an obscene act in the bethel 'happy song'.
now everything is, of course, subject to perspective.
i would imagine her perspective is just as valuable as anyone elses.
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konceptual99
Elderly Witnesses can hardly recognise the religion they joined 40,50,60 years ago.
Some are just about keeping up with the rise of technology, JW Broadcasting events, dumbed down Bibles and rehashed promises. Howver, many are increasingly disenfranchised and either shutting up whilst they wait to die or papering over the cracks from their cognitive dissonance by convincing themselves that "it's all beyond me but Jehovah's chariot is speeding up".
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Yet more trolley (in)activity
by konceptual99 ini am currently having to spend a little time waiting for an appointment in the vicinity of a central london station.
whilst waiting i am catching up on some work in a cafe.
i can see a couple of trolleys and have been watching them for around an hour now.. not one person has stopped to take literature.
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konceptual99
The question these people should be asking is "What exactly have I done to help people today?". You can argue that the D2D work is actively seeking people to reach with a message. You can argue that approaching people in the street and engaging with them is actively seeking people to reach with a message.
Standing next to a trolley not looking at people, not trying to initiate conversations and not engaging is not actively seeking people with a message. It's a waste of time masquerading as God's work.
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Band Green Day and JWs
by hardtobeme ina few years ago i heard of a story about two jw's being at a green day concert.
i think that the witnesses were bethelites.
the person that told me that story said that the band was about to play but they couldn't.
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Yet more trolley (in)activity
by konceptual99 ini am currently having to spend a little time waiting for an appointment in the vicinity of a central london station.
whilst waiting i am catching up on some work in a cafe.
i can see a couple of trolleys and have been watching them for around an hour now.. not one person has stopped to take literature.
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konceptual99
Wow - after almost 3.5 hours the trolley minder has a customer but he has gone as quickly as he came.
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Yet more trolley (in)activity
by konceptual99 ini am currently having to spend a little time waiting for an appointment in the vicinity of a central london station.
whilst waiting i am catching up on some work in a cafe.
i can see a couple of trolleys and have been watching them for around an hour now.. not one person has stopped to take literature.
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konceptual99
Apparently so. I've been working here almost three hours and there has been literally ZERO interest. The only conversations have been lost tourists.
It's worse than the doors but what an easy way for pioneers to get their hours.
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Band Green Day and JWs
by hardtobeme ina few years ago i heard of a story about two jw's being at a green day concert.
i think that the witnesses were bethelites.
the person that told me that story said that the band was about to play but they couldn't.
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konceptual99
Made up.
Just like the same made up stories about John Denver.
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Yet more trolley (in)activity
by konceptual99 ini am currently having to spend a little time waiting for an appointment in the vicinity of a central london station.
whilst waiting i am catching up on some work in a cafe.
i can see a couple of trolleys and have been watching them for around an hour now.. not one person has stopped to take literature.
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konceptual99
Indeed. This is would be my contribution to such a gallery. It does show the elder doing something, actually helping someone in need. Even if it's only a lost tourist....
