Posts by konceptual99

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"It is the victims right to approach authorities" The weak excuse used by the society

by stuckinarut2 in

we have seen that the society falls back on the line "it is the victims right to approach the authorities" during all the abuse claims.. they use this excuse to try and defend the passive lack of action in failing to report suspected cases of abuse.. a comparison came to mind:.

if we came across a person lying in the street who says they were hit by a car, would we say "it is your absolute right to call the paramedics and police"?.

or would we take the initiative and call those authorities ourselves to help the person?.

konceptual99

Sitting a young female minor sexualy abused victim down with three older men in a judicial committee meeting often in the presence of the perpetrator and being grilled by all of them is not traumatising the young victim ?
They have to be kidding.

Agreed. Disgusting actions.

Knowing about these abuses and not reporting them to the relevant authorities makes them an accessary after the fact of a crime being committed and they should be prosecuted.

Unfortunately the law in the US, the UK and many other places seems to disagree. If there is no mandatory requirement to report an allegation then there is no legal requirement for them to do anything. Having knowledge of an allegation does not make one an accessory. Even if you know an offence has been committed does not automatically make one an accessory. Of course the moral argument is very different but fundamentally this is why the WTS has had just a dangerous policy for so many years.

The WTS is notoriously legalistic and uses legal argument to wriggle in and out of situations all the time. It is 100% consistent for them to have a policy that frames their obligations from a legal perspective and not from a moral or humanitarian perspective when it comes to any matter whether that be construction or child protection.

Jackson's submission to the ARC exposes their true colours vividly when he made a less than subtle suggestion to the ARC that they recommend mandatory reporting across the board. Why? So that they would not be have to discuss it internally and unilaterally end up with a policy where morality trumps legality. They want the State to do what they seem to consider as dirty work for them.

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Warwick and transport to meetings

by berrygerry in

i would imagine that most brooklyn bethelites attended congo meetings via subway.. how do they manage transport from warwick?.

konceptual99

Only last week in that horrendous WT one of the elders who spends 2 days a week on construction design work at MIll Hill was raving to the youngsters about the opportunities at Bethel, with the biggest growth being in commuters.

Yes the UK bethel family is being decimated by 2/3rds over the next few years as they migrate to Chelmsford but it seems they are trying to build a pool of people that work for free but don't need caring for.

Cha ching!!

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Dr Monica Applewhite's evidence rejected by Australian Child Abuse Royal Commission

by jwleaks in

australian child abuse royal commission rejects dr monica applewhite's evidence and testimony.. [quote] dr applewhite acknowledged that her report did not identify the basis on which she had formed her opinions.657 she accepted that her report failed to identify the ‘current standards’ of other religious organisations658 or which ‘religious organisations’ she referred to in writing her report.659 dr applewhite told the royal commission that her understanding of material provided to parents and families about sexual development in children by other faith-based organisations was ‘anecdotal’.660.

dr applewhite accepted that it would be difficult for the royal commission to accept the opinions expressed in paragraphs 36, 45, and 46 of her report because her report did not identify the basis on which those opinions were formed.661.

we do not consider that dr applewhite’s report and the opinions expressed therein assist the royal commission in its inquiry for the following reasons:.

konceptual99

Have not the WTS referred to MA's previous glowing reports about their child abuse policies in the literature? If so I wonder if this will get the magic whiteout applied and all memory of her and her words erased from the WT public record?

Can Wifibandit or any of our other ace archivists confirm?

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Royal Commission Australia - Report into Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society has been released

by OrphanCrow in

link to pdf:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

reading it now...no comment yet.

konceptual99

Good question but don't forget there is the upcoming adjunct to the inquiry where the WTS will have to answer these criticisms. Perhaps their response to this will influence any possible further actions.

The question is if the government feels there needs to be any change to legislation to force policy change in the WTS. I doubt policy will change just because the WTS is weak in certain areas but if the ARC recommends legislative change to enforce best practice across many organisations then I suspect it will be enacted at some point.

Certain states in Australia already have mandatory reporting and I would see this as the #1 candidate for federal change. The other possibility is that some rule may be enacted to force elders and servants to undergo criminal record checks. I don't expect the law to change to force Witnesses to do much else since so much of the process is ecclesiastical and Western governments tend to keep away from enacting legislation that would affect religious freedom. You only have to look at the legal complexities around thing like equal rights and homophobia to see how difficult it is to enforce social progress over religious tradition.

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"Just around the corner." The dumbest song that I have ever heard..

by DATA-DOG in

i'm at my quasi-thanksgiving dinner with relatives.

i hear a haunting sound from another room.

"is that a children's song?

konceptual99

The very fact that they have the elderly couple in the final scene proves that the older ones are getting frustrated at the delays..... This seems like a deliberate attempt to keep them hanging on.....

Quite right. If you look at the broadcast earlier on and see the account of the elderly couple in Etheopia this was exactly the same They spent years in full time service, went to Bethel and are now pioneers - clearly after having been chucked out of Bethel for being too old. Their message was one of support for the org and accepting this change which is clearly the message for all those others in the the same boat or witnessing it.

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"Just around the corner." The dumbest song that I have ever heard..

by DATA-DOG in

i'm at my quasi-thanksgiving dinner with relatives.

i hear a haunting sound from another room.

"is that a children's song?

konceptual99

Dumber than "what a feeling to go wheeling"? I have to admit it's a close run thing but talking trolleys takes it by a nose for me :)

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does the watchtower receive govenment subsides for their learn to read studies in 3rd. world countries?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering.

konceptual99

Don't know about government subsidies but they have crowed about secular recognition of their Learn to Read programme...

g01 7/22 pp. 6-9 Volunteers at Work

Similar programs of Jehovah’s Witnesses have yielded success in other parts of the world. In the African country of Burundi, for example, the National Office for Adult Literacy (a department of the Ministry of Education) was so pleased with the results of the Witnesses’ literacy program that it gave an award to four of the program’s teachers for “the hard work put into teaching others to read.” Government officials are especially impressed that 75 percent of those who learned to read and write were adult women—a group that usually shies away from attending such programs.

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"West World" and The Jehovah Witnesses

by new boy in

jw
friends

sitting there watching the new hbo series last night, i couldn't help but laugh and think about the similarities.

the creators (the gods) and the hosts (their creations) have an interesting relationship.. the "hosts" are programmed to have free thinking but only up to a point.

just like the witnesses.

konceptual99

Complete side point, but did anyone notice the old host in Ford's private area which looked like it was Yul Brynner's Gunslinger character? It was two or three episodes ago.

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"West World" and The Jehovah Witnesses

by new boy in

jw
friends

sitting there watching the new hbo series last night, i couldn't help but laugh and think about the similarities.

the creators (the gods) and the hosts (their creations) have an interesting relationship.. the "hosts" are programmed to have free thinking but only up to a point.

just like the witnesses.

konceptual99

Some wake up, and realize, and are quickly silenced. The biggest threat to the park is the truth getting out and spreading.

Yup - I suspect that there are some who would much prefer an explosive device going off in the C6 (as I recall) vertebrae if you leave da troof above plain ol' shunning for apostacy...

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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust

by David_Jay in

reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.

this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.

what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.

konceptual99

The funny thing is that for years the decrease was touted as a sure sign the big A was close. Ever since the number has been growing then it's significance is nil.